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Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 04, 2015, 11:10:30 PM »
I always understood that the crew ladder sections on the hatch were removed during flight and stowed up forward somewhere in the manual bomb aimers area.

I was watching a video on Youtube the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OXLAyNpbM
About 1m 15s into it, the crew chief removes the lower two sections completely before closing the hatch.

I also thought that the ladder up to the upper flight deck was vertical rather than the angled one we put into XM569 to make it easier for the public.
In this video the upper ladder shown has nice wider steps and is angled.

SO - THE QUESTIONS ARE;
1 - did the format of the upper ladder section change with different marks of Vulcan?

2 - Under what circumstances was the bottom two portions removed by the ground crew?

They can't have always been removed because I've seen them in Singapore, Malta, Masirah and Gan with the crew ladders down. I never was on a flying station in the UK, another reason I preferred to be abroad!

Appreciative of any help with my questions yet again.
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Dave Rose

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Top section in XM569, hinged for stowage when closing up for the night. This is the ladder that was put in by the Jet Age Museum to make it easier for public access.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2015, 09:54:54 AM »
Certainly the lower two sections were carried away by ground crew on my Power On experience earlier this year, as in this clip from a video, the last thing before the final ground crew member unplugged and shut the door.


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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2015, 12:15:13 PM »
Certainly the lower two sections were carried away by ground crew on my Power On experience earlier this year, as in this clip from a video, the last thing before the final ground crew member unplugged and shut the door.

Wonder if this was because she was not expecting to land anywhere else. I'm sure it was John Lewer, who was Nav Radar, who told me it was stowed. Possibly the same thing applies, if they were going on a ranger or another operation to other airfields, they would need the ladders, returning to base they wouldn't.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2015, 09:49:12 PM »
558 carries a second set of door ladders stowed in the bomb aimers area. So really it makes no difference as to whether she is returning home or on a "fly away" - steps are always available  :). The set on the door are usually removed (at the AEO's discretion) so the back seater's "slide" is available at all times if required...
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2015, 10:25:22 PM »
Ah, maybe that was common practice so that the crew didn't have to remove the ladders during taxi or after take off. In most cases they would have had better things to do with their time and on a QRA wouldn't have had any time to do it.
This scenario makes sense.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 09:55:09 AM »
I just wondered is it ok for her to fly back with the landing gear doors down?
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2015, 10:02:54 AM »
From the announcement yesterday....

The undercarriage is safely locked, and the aircraft is safe for prolonged flight at lower speed in this condition.


She will of course use a lot more fuel.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2015, 10:36:19 AM »
Thanks Pam.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2015, 08:47:57 PM »
It is my recollection that during normal squadron operations when the aircraft was expected to return to base that the access ladder was removed by the crew chief, then stored in the dispersal hut, as part of the final checks immediately prior to door closing and taxi.

During exercises/dispersals/detachment/Rangers the ladder was stowed in the bomb aimers position. There were stowage straps on the lifting panel over the bomb aimers window.

The Pilots Notes state: "WARNING Due to the hazard it presents in evacuating the cabin in an emergency, the ladder must not be left in position on the entrance door"

In the You Tube video referred to in the first entry of this post I believe that the Crew Chief is a Chris Emmerson.

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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2015, 08:58:12 PM »
Thanks very much, very useful information and seems very logical.
Much appreciated
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 08:54:37 PM »
I don't recognise the dual upper ladder, I only ever climbed up a single flight. The ladder we have on XL426 is as I remember it.
As for the door ladder, we usually carried it, but the lazy method was not to strap it down but merely to unclip it and lay it on the door upside down so that, if the door was required for evacuation in flight, it would slide off.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2015, 11:28:25 PM »
I don't recognise the dual upper ladder, I only ever climbed up a single flight. The ladder we have on XL426 is as I remember it.
As for the door ladder, we usually carried it, but the lazy method was not to strap it down but merely to unclip it and lay it on the door upside down so that, if the door was required for evacuation in flight, it would slide off.

The hinged upper ladder section was installed by the Jet Age Museum to make it easier for public access.
I always understood the ladder to the flight deck was vertical but in that video clip it looks to be angled with wider steps than I thought, although still one piece.
I only managed to go into one Vulcan during my 12 years and that was just for a look while I was in Masirah, 1969. It's a long time ago to remember a fleeting glimpse!
Thanks for the information.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2015, 04:56:02 PM »
I don't recognise the dual upper ladder, I only ever climbed up a single flight. The ladder we have on XL426 is as I remember it.
As for the door ladder, we usually carried it, but the lazy method was not to strap it down but merely to unclip it and lay it on the door upside down so that, if the door was required for evacuation in flight, it would slide off.

That's logical, but that's gotta hurt the poor beggar on the ground.
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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2015, 05:40:49 PM »
No more than the 70 - 90 tons of Vulcan..... :)

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Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2015, 05:43:57 PM »
I wonder if that's where the superstition about walking under ladders comes from.  :)
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