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Title: The big push?
Post by: speedy on August 04, 2010, 12:28:38 PM
OK, I may have missed something here, but wasn't/isn't there supposed to be a big push with some fundraising scheme that means we won't end up with another winter wondering if there will be enough money to keep the lads in Jaffa Cakes, never mind her Ladiness in the air?

I'm not having a go or poking around trying to get some sort of reaction out of someone, but it's amazing how fast the list of events 558 will be at is being ticked off - it only seemed like (and was) mere weeks ago that she first got back in the air.  Looking at the current list, we're about half way through the appearances, give or take.

The VV has been heaving every time I've visited it this year and seen it in pics from the shows, so hopefully business is doing well there.  The volunteers and organisers have done a great job there.  Also, 558 and her engineers have done us proud with only a single blip on what was a fairly intensive schedule around RIAT and Farnborough.

However, I was under the impression that there was going to be something else going on to really push the cause for 558 this year, shortly after her birthday?  Maybe there's been something and I've missed it, but the only things I can think of are the tours under the aircraft when she's been a static exhibit before/after a display (and they've proved immensely popular from what I've seen!) and the recent development of sticky logos that will resist being pulled off the bomb bay doors.

Can I ask what the plans are/were?  The best time to plug 558 is when she's doing her stuff, and with events like Bournemouth coming up where last year there was an outrageous crowd of something silly like 500,000 on the Saturday (I kid you not, it was apparently a World record figure over the four days) and 350,000 on the Sunday, and that's a huge audience.  Probably a third of whom came to see one aircraft.

I know that the committee and everyone else isn't sat about picking their noses and they're working hard to keep 558 flying, but it would be nice to have some reassurance that something is being worked on, and that we're not going to have another winter where all the supporters are wondering if she'll fly again, and the poor staff are wondering if this month's notice really is the last one.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gully on August 04, 2010, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: "speedy"

I know that the committee and everyone else isn't sat about picking their noses and they're working hard to keep 558 flying, but it would be nice to have some reassurance that something is being worked on, and that we're not going to have another winter where all the supporters are wondering if she'll fly again, and the poor staff are wondering if this month's notice really is the last one.

Club is doing it's bit organising volunteers and attending shows with our stands. I thik you're referring to the post-birthday appeal that the Trust is working on. My understanding is that this was nigh on ready to go around Farnborough time, so no doubt the Trust will launch soon and not repeat last year's much delayed fundraising appeal.

Gully
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: delta1 on August 04, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
Fingers crossed as it's looking a bit quiet on the fundraising front at the moment. Please, Please let's not leave it to the last minute.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: vulcanlover on August 04, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
I echo these sentiments. The end of the season is rapidly approaching.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on August 04, 2010, 01:41:45 PM
wasnt there suppose to be a number of birthday events over the coming months?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: vulcanlover on August 04, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: "leslie"
wasnt there suppose to be a number of birthday events over the coming months?

That's what I've been waiting to hear about.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Mayfly on August 04, 2010, 01:55:21 PM
Taken from Dr Bobs email update 12 March 2010

The launch of our Annual Appeal for 2011, and other special events planned around XH558’s 50th Anniversary on 25th May, will be central to continuing this drive.

I thought at the time this meant the appeal was going to launched on May 25th, Now I assume it didn't take place then because 558 wasn't serviceable so could have caused a bit of a home goal, then I thought I heard it was going to happen at RIAT, however with only about 6 weeks [ish] left of the airshow season time is fast running out!!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: RHP on August 04, 2010, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: "Gully"
Quote from: "speedy"
[size=150]... so no doubt the Trust will launch soon and not repeat last year's much delayed fundraising appeal.

As already intimated above - halfway through the season and nothing (visible) as far as major fundraising (from the Trust) is concerned. All we seem to get are headlines and vague promisesm but any action comes in a panic and far too late as well as too little ... Let's see ... a ballpark figure of £1 million required at start of Winter servicing (say beginning of November). That's 12 weeks away  :o ... so are we nearly there yet  :?:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on August 04, 2010, 02:01:10 PM
£1M?  I thought that last winter's stuff was the most expensive planned work between the present and 558's final retirement?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on August 04, 2010, 02:05:14 PM
well assuming we are spending everything that is being raised keeping her flying now, I doubt we are able to bank any funds, I wouldnt of thought there was much left over from last winters appeal Id say 1 million is a good guess to get her though service, hanger costs, test flights and ready to roll hopefully earlier in the season next year, remember its cost around £2 million per year anyhow
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 04, 2010, 04:04:54 PM
It'll probably not be a realistic idea { what with the Trust and the Club being two seperate entities } , but how about a "funding total" shown on either the "Donate" or "How To Help" pages ........essentially the same as we've had for the last few years with the various "last-minute panic" appeals , showing total funding required & funding raised to date , but on a year-round basis.
That way , people will know how things stand -- be they club members , casual visitors or even potential sponsors.
It should hopefully also avoid the usual problem { and complaint } that Club members et al are kept in the dark about funding issues until the last minute , when it suddenly turns into a panic to raise what appears to be the majority of funding required over a short period of about a month.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on August 04, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
The only issue I see there is that the funding required for the operation part of the season isn't exactly a finite figure.  For example, I bet the recent brake issue at Farnborough cost a packet, but it's not really something you can budget for as such.  I guess it would be possible to estimate the cost of all the displays, plus intermediate work, and add a bit for good measure, then have a chart showing the income from shows, merchandise etc.  However, as we are all too aware, displays are effectively a loss-maker, so it might make painful viewing.  However, perhaps a donations/sales figure for the year alongside an estimate of the current expenses might not be such a bad idea.  This does assume that anyone has all the figures in the same place and has time to sort them out for the website, of course.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: dee on August 04, 2010, 05:55:05 PM
[color=#FFGlad someone has asked this question, its been bothering me for some time now.  We dont want to be in the same situation as the previous years it wouldnt go down well at all.0000][/color]
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 04, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: "speedy"
The only issue I see there is that the funding required for the operation part of the season isn't exactly a finite figure.
True for unforseen problems , but the usual "annual operating costs" figure bandied around is in the £1--£1.5 million mark.
I'm not saying it should include a breakdown of funding requirements , but rather that it should be along the lines of the recent Appeals totals , namely : " We require £X .... so far , we have raised £Y "
After all , we used to have pie-charts showing a rough breakdown of individual operating costs & predicted income during previous Appeals.

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This does assume that anyone has all the figures in the same place and has time to sort them out for the website, of course.
Isn't that what they pay accountants for ??  :lol:  :mrgreen:
The Trust should know what income it has --- and I don't mean the usual "anticipated income for the year" figures , but rather the cold hard "this is what we have received to date" figures.
I would like to think that the Club know how much they have raised that they intend to donate to the Trust {  ;) } ..... but this would not be added to the "Income raised" total until it has been donated to the Trust.
The "total raised" figure need not be updated on a daily bases - weekly should suffice .
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: PA28 on August 04, 2010, 09:34:02 PM
There have indeed been many things the Trust have been working on and I know Dr. Pleming is working on an update to be published this Friday.
As to what has been done... there are clues about all over the place:

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As to the major push, seems the foundations have been built with all of the above and something has been going on in and outside, the normal aviation circles, and no doubt will be detailed further in the update.

Regards,
Ian.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Panel 10 on August 04, 2010, 11:57:44 PM
I was wondering if and what financial support Goodwood, RIAT and Farnborough had attracted, mmmmmmm!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 05, 2010, 07:54:48 AM
Quote from: "PA28"
There have indeed been many things the Trust have been working on and I know Dr. Pleming is working on an update to be published this Friday.
But will this update include hard figures { if past newsletters are an indication , probably not } ??
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on August 05, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: "PA28"
There have indeed been many things the Trust have been working on and I know Dr. Pleming is working on an update to be published this Friday.
As to what has been done... there are clues about all over the place:


As to the major push, seems the foundations have been built with all of the above and something has been going on in and outside, the normal aviation circles, and no doubt will be detailed further in the update.

Regards,
Ian.

I read what you are saying Ian :)  I bet there are plenty of members shaking their heads saying Oh No not again :(  
We do not want to be taken by surprise again once the hanger doors close on another season. I hope that it is all in hand, the engineers must all be hoping as well that the idea's and "Big Push" is going to happen in the next few weeks (Please) let us know soon, not after Christmas

Keep the Faith and we always do :D  :D

PS
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on August 05, 2010, 12:07:47 PM
Hopefully it's like restoring coaches at the railway.  We always rib people about not doing anything because there's basically a shell there with very little visual progress.  However, that's because they are busy sorting out all the bits which you often don't see them doing.  Then all of a sudden, all the bits are ready and suddenly there seems to be a tremendous difference in the apparent work rate, even though there isn't - it's just that we can now see what they were doing when we alleged they were twiddling their thumbs.  I've always like the swan analogy.  What you see from the out of the water is a creature gracefully and gently paddling up the river.  But to do it, the legs are thrashing away under the water where they aren't seen.  Hopefully, 558s legs are well on their way downstream!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on August 11, 2010, 12:34:41 PM
So the new newsletter is out (Your thoughts?), a mention about a yearly appeal,what is this new appeal launched at Farnborough? Monthly update on figures about amounts raised, so assuming the 50th appeal is this years appeal how much have we raised towards the 1 million target figure? No news on a sponsor as yet, talk about the new mission to inspire the young ( which I always though was the mission) We are fast running out of airshows with a captive audience to target, in a month she will be back in a hanger and the vast majority of the population will forget about her, if the management get the funding wrong this time she wont be flying on 2011 in my opinion
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Harrier1980 on August 11, 2010, 01:32:39 PM
I have kept away from the forum, because to be honest the whole situation just winds me up. and the latest update.... same ol' Blah I am afraid.

Yes, I know everyone works hard, and it is a great achievement etc. etc. but it is becoming obvious that the business plan( a business is what it is, regardless of 'charity') is not working.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 11, 2010, 03:04:39 PM
My thoughts on the Newsletter.......
Looking at the results of the Winter Appeal, we can see that fewer supporters are coming forward with donations, this despite the fact that XH558 was seen by far more people in 2009 than at any time since 1992!  We are clearly not yet getting the right message out to a wide-enough audience.
Err......it's called a recession !! The simple fact is that many supporters simply cannot afford to give money { or as much money } to appeals any more.
There was no involvement of a national newspaper , unlike the previous year's Appeal.
There are almost curtainly several ex- & current Club Members and supporters who are { or are becoming } disgruntled with the Trust { for various reasons } or the simply fed up with funding "failures" / last-minute appeals.

All donations, whether they be monthly or one-off, will go towards the Appeal, and we will publish the amount of money raised every month.
When ??
Define "donations" -- will it just be income from the general public , or will it include actual { rather than projected } income from all sources ??

It’s all very well setting up an Appeal, but we need to tell everyone about it......invested in a much more extensive media and advertising campaign....with the goal of promoting XH558 and the Trust to a far larger audience, importantly outside the traditional aviation enthusiast circles.
Has any attempt been made to involve a national newspaper , or has this been concidered & discounted ??
What about advertisments in local newspapers in the lead-up to '558 appearing at particular venues ??
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on August 13, 2010, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: "wcg"
My thoughts on the Newsletter.......
Looking at the results of the Winter Appeal, we can see that fewer supporters are coming forward with donations, this despite the fact that XH558 was seen by far more people in 2009 than at any time since 1992!  We are clearly not yet getting the right message out to a wide-enough audience.
Err......it's called a recession !! The simple fact is that many supporters simply cannot afford to give money { or as much money } to appeals any more.
There was no involvement of a national newspaper , unlike the previous year's Appeal.
There are almost curtainly several ex- & current Club Members and supporters who are { or are becoming } disgruntled with the Trust { for various reasons } or the simply fed up with funding "failures" / last-minute appeals.

All donations, whether they be monthly or one-off, will go towards the Appeal, and we will publish the amount of money raised every month.
When ??
Define "donations" -- will it just be income from the general public , or will it include actual { rather than projected } income from all sources ??

It’s all very well setting up an Appeal, but we need to tell everyone about it......invested in a much more extensive media and advertising campaign....with the goal of promoting XH558 and the Trust to a far larger audience, importantly outside the traditional aviation enthusiast circles.
Has any attempt been made to involve a national newspaper , or has this been concidered & discounted ??
What about advertisments in local newspapers in the lead-up to '558 appearing at particular venues ??

Now do not start shouting if i have got this wrong  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

I thought during the depths of winter when we were tryiing to get the money to see her through her winter service etc , someone on a thread mentioned the national press saying " It was old news trying to save her" and they had done their part in previous years to raise awareness :(

Didn't it mention in this last press release they were doing full page spreads in various magazines, I cannot remember if the mentioned FHM though!!!! It is read by plenty of younf people then the fathers read it ;)  ;)  

I know what you are saying re the Trust and why people are becoming fed up with them, I mentioned meeting them as well as the crew/ engineers I have never seen them only on DVD's saying how they pulled it off again. It would be nice for 1 or 2 to come to the AGM :)  :)

Oh well you can shout now :lol:  :lol:

PS
 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on August 13, 2010, 11:42:03 AM
I've read the newsletter and it seems to be the same old same old  :roll:
All the supporters are doing what they can when they can but it's clearly not enough to keep the show on the road or should I say in the sky ;)
We need large sponsorship and we have not got it yet.
It appears the panic button will be pushed again and a little earlier might help.  Can I suggest the end of September  ;)  :(

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Mayfly on August 13, 2010, 11:53:57 AM
I think even September is too late  - October is when the winter servicing needs to start to ensure that she is serviceable for the start of the season in MAY.

558 must speak for herself when better than when she is in the air? - the message needs to be

'IF you were moved by seeing her fly today then we need your help for her to fly tomorrow' [next year]

I see no problem with asking the public for support, without a big sponsor how else is she going to be funded - It's how & when they are approached that's important.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 13, 2010, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: "Smudger565"
I thought during the depths of winter when we were tryiing to get the money to see her through her winter service etc , someone on a thread mentioned the national press saying " It was old news trying to save her" and they had done their part in previous years to raise awareness :(
True enough.......I just thought that if the Trust pushed the "50th Birthday" aspect or the "Farnborough Initiative" , rather than the usual "give us money or we're doomed" approach , that they may attract some interest .
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Didn't it mention in this last press release they were doing full page spreads in various magazines, I cannot remember if the mentioned FHM though!!!! It is read by plenty of younf people then the fathers read it ;)  ;)

And you could add Loaded & Nuts !! Or "car mags" that the chavs { sorry , "discerning youth of today" } read , such as Max Power or the various "one make" mags aimed at various Japmobiles , Corsas , Clios , etc. ....... Or are they seen as "not the right image" ??
Hmmmm........how about getting Playboy to do a feature !!  :o  After all , they've done articles about various cars & aircraft in the past { as well as a very good feature on German WW2 U-Boat Aces in an issue about 20 years ago  ;)  }
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 13, 2010, 12:03:19 PM
Out of interest......
Is anyone in a position to say how much of a difference in fundraising , compared to last year , the new airshow commentary has made at individual events ??
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on August 13, 2010, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: "Mayfly"
I think even September is too late  - October is when the winter servicing needs to start to ensure that she is serviceable for the start of the season in MAY.

558 must speak for herself when better than when she is in the air? - the message needs to be

'IF you were moved by seeing her fly today then we need your help for her to fly tomorrow' [next year]

I see no problem with asking the public for support, without a big sponsor how else is she going to be funded - It's how & when they are approached that's important.

Yes Mayfly I agree with you, September probably is too late.  Today might be a better time  ;)
We have Bournemouth next week with more than likely the largest audience of the year (I was there last year and it was staggering)  so can somethig more not be made of this  :?:

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: 10680 on August 13, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
I don't know whether it has been in local papers for earlier shows but something in next week's Brighton/Shoreham and Bournemouth papers, Surrey papers the week after.... The person, people, companies might just read it.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on August 13, 2010, 12:53:24 PM
Quote from: "10680"
I don't know whether it has been in local papers for earlier shows but something in next week's Brighton/Shoreham and Bournemouth papers, Surrey papers the week after.... The person, people, companies might just read it.

Yes you are right.  Thinking about Bournemouth, maybe the success of last years Air Festival could be used to better effect to promote this years event.  Attendance records were set I believe and I'm sure a great time was had by all who were there.  It's time to jog peoples memory about the day out or w/e they had.  It's a great venue and a terrific airshow.  If people are told about the funding problems (your Vulcan needs your help to continue flying etc etc) they might just come along and help.  It's people power we need and this is an excellent opportunity  ;)

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: katie_t on August 13, 2010, 08:37:05 PM
If I remember correctly, the Vulcan or Vulcan to the Sky got 4 mentions in the local Gloucestershire press in the 8 days prior to RIAT, including one with a photo of me, my family and Sarah Abbott ( :shock:  luckily for us, it never made it online ;) ). Hopefully this is the start of ongoing publicity when we hold an event locally, although in the long, dark days of Feb they didn't manage to print anything, although I tried  :(  :(

This was a big contrast to my in-laws in Worthing, who came to stay full of the news they had been following about the troubles and subsequent salavtion in the local Argus. Guess I need to take advice from you guys down south!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on August 14, 2010, 07:14:46 AM
Quote from: "Mayfly"
is serviceable for the start of the season in MAY.

'IF you were moved by seeing her fly today then we need your help for her to fly tomorrow' [next year]
It looks good

Sounds & Reads like a good Line for advertsing to me "Get our PR people on to it" where do you get these lines from Mayfly??? :D  :D

PS
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 15, 2010, 02:58:32 PM
Sorry about all these questions but just joining i am not aware of the problems....I have gathered it cost £1.8 million to run aircraft and is that everything staff ,ongoing cost like fuel,maintence you can only set a figure and hope you are right ....the aircraft has had a so far a pretty full show year or part at this stage the appearance money does that all go on fuel cost the club provides some funding with club fee's and selling stock and other activities... corporate sponsers are a mix of services and money so the the bottom line how much do we have to raise to have servicable aircraft for next year there must be a projected spend on paper through this year......is it the £1.8 million total or has some money been put aside and if so what is the amount needed to be raised ?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Panel 10 on August 15, 2010, 05:29:04 PM
The first display of the year should herald the following year's funding campaign.  ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 15, 2010, 06:47:23 PM
Or as a preference , it should start before the first display !  ;)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 15, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
well that is just good sense and budget should be set after the last revenue earning display the year before then if you have problem you can react to it early and steer the fund raising  campaign's
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: RHP on August 15, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: "bigmike67"
... if you have problem you can react to it early ...
A lesson still to be learned apparently  :cry: . Last years season was saved by an almightly last minute push. This years was saved by a phenomenally generous last minute donation. Next years fund raising push should be in full swing now with the majority of funds safely stashed away ready for the winter lay up and servicing that should start in around 10 weeks time. We can all see how hard the Club is working from the postings here but practical results from Trust endeavours seem to be missing ..................  :cry:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 15, 2010, 08:55:20 PM
Does anybody know what amount's we are looking to find over the next eight month's and if funds have been put aside the interest on safe investment is not good at the moment...I am not familar with charitable trust's with the locomotive company i am involved with a set of accounts have to be provided expenditure ,running cost etc set against gains so everthing is transparent and you can see from one year to the other where savings and adjustments can be made.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 15, 2010, 09:25:49 PM
From the most recent Newsletter :
"The importance of both the monthly and one-off donations from our supporters will remain very significant, even in our new plans. Rather than mount an appeal only when we see the imminent need for funds, we have now launched an Annual Appeal, which will run for the entire year, with the target of £1million over the year, which we are of course strongly promoting during the airshow season.

All donations, whether they be monthly or one-off, will go towards the Appeal, and we will publish the amount of money raised every month."
Hopefully - as I suggested on another part of the Forum - the published figures , when they eventually appear , will also include funds received to date from corporate sponsorship { rather than "future funds promised" } , which would give a much better picture of the actual requirements.

Edited to say : -
100th post !!  :D
So in line with sickbag_andy's suggestion { £5 donation when you reach 100 posts } , I'm off to increase the coffers !!  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 15, 2010, 10:34:45 PM
But i am sorry to keep asking the question.... what funds do we have right now set aside if any for next year what are the on going running cost per month... and a projected target per month with the recent history as guide plus the outstanding pledges and then we will know the shortfall.... and what we are up against then we can see each month wether we are on target and then direct funding  efforts accordingley  or not ....this is not difficult someone must know these figures.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 15, 2010, 10:48:58 PM
Being new here does the Trust keep this information in house because they consider the information sensisitive if this is the case a small amount of club commitee must be privy to this information to be able to direct the fund raising side of the club to the most cost effective ways of keeping funding going and on track to meet the need's of the aircraft for next season...Mike
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on August 15, 2010, 10:55:30 PM
it's down to a mixture of confidentiality, comericial sensitivity and simply not having a clue people are asking.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: johnjosh43 on August 15, 2010, 11:07:20 PM
Slightly off topic but still relevant - don't charities have to publish accounts every 12 months. Last time I looked VTST still had 2008 ones there.
Has anyone seen any more recent sets ?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on August 16, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
Well i can understand some of the sensitivity where large sponsership is involved so people do not get cold feet but it is essential that someone on club commitee level  knows what the true picture is and this might be the case they do.....The hard facts are you cannot keep having a crisis you might get away with once but it starts to look if do not know what you are doing   i am sure that is not the  case because of the success  of the past.......I think some of the problem is that we so are releaved the   aircraft flying and it's fantastic reception with the public that we been dazzled by the light we should be planning right now   on a financial basis for 2011 to 2012 display year not starting   now planning for next year...... beacause in a hop skip and jump we will be the the Autum of this year very soon ...under company law you have to produce accounts every year but i am not sure about charity status i will find out.I am afraid if you want people to work there hearts you have to bring them into the loop....... ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: StAthan lecky on August 25, 2010, 11:24:18 AM
Quote from: "bigmike67"
Well i can understand some of the sensitivity where large sponsership is involved so people do not get cold feet but it is essential that someone on club commitee level  knows what the true picture is and this might be the case they do.....The hard facts are you cannot keep having a crisis you might get away with once but it starts to look if do not know what you are doing   i am sure that is not the  case because of the success  of the past.......I think some of the problem is that we so are releaved the   aircraft flying and it's fantastic reception with the public that we been dazzled by the light we should be planning right now   on a financial basis for 2011 to 2012 display year not starting   now planning for next year...... beacause in a hop skip and jump we will be the the Autum of this year very soon ...under company law you have to produce accounts every year but i am not sure about charity status i will find out.I am afraid if you want people to work there hearts you have to bring them into the loop....... ;)

Ah ,now you begin to understand all that is VTTS !!!

 :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on August 25, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
Any news yet on the numerous Birthday events which are suppose to be happening this year? its nearly the end of August.
Any news on this new appeal which was launched at Farnborough?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on August 27, 2010, 10:32:37 AM
Is it not about time we were informed about the state of the funding appeal for the winter servicing, next years flying and beyond  :?:  :?:
There is only another flying month left, not long to show her off and  attract more support.  I am sure I am not the only one frustrated at the complete lack of info.  Would hate to think we might be looking at another panic situation :roll:

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: minty4371 on August 29, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
I agree with the posts just above by leslie and upandaway.
Reply to bigmike67, charities need to publish accounts etc every year.  I have been told that the charity I am involved with (on the management committee) have had contact from the Charities Commission asking where our accounts were for this year.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on August 29, 2010, 06:04:39 PM
Looking on the Charity Commission website { http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Sh ... ryNumber=0 (http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1101948&SubsidiaryNumber=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) } , they show the accounts submitted for Financial Year  2008--2009.
Nothing yet for 2009--2010 , although it shows "Due documents received" so I assume they have been submitted.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: minty4371 on September 01, 2010, 11:45:02 AM
Is everyone, including the engineers, being kept in the dark as to how much is needed to be raised for flying next year, or will it be very last minute as it has been before :cry: .  A few questions to statements that have been placed in the newsletters this year.

12th March 2010
Now that we have learnt the valuable lessons of 2009, Michael Trotter and I have agreed with VTST’s Board of Trustees that we need a sustainable financial plan in place by the Autumn. This is a vital objective.
Any news on this, or is it confidential?

The launch of our Annual Appeal for 2011, and other special events planned around XH558’s 50th Anniversary on 25th May, will be central to continuing this drive.
What has happened to the birthday events?  Has there been any?  Not seen anything on the website or via newsletters.

10th August 2010
The Vulcan to the Sky Trust needs to have a viable and sustainable business plan, which is not reliant on last minute crisis appeals to fund its future.
Surely a viable and sustainable business plan was vital to getting grants etc.

Rather than mount an appeal only when we see the imminent need for funds, we have now launched an Annual Appeal, which will run for the entire year, with the target of £1million over the year, which we are of course strongly promoting during the airshow season.  All donations, whether they be monthly or one-off, will go towards the Appeal, and we will publish the amount of money raised every month.  Any small or larger donations you might be able to raise in the next few months will be as highly appreciated as ever.  In return, I can assure you of our unstinting efforts to gain a secure future for XH558 for this winter, for 2011 and beyond.
How much has been raised?  Haven’t seen any amounts posted on the forum / website.

29 August, 2010
Now that we are within a few weeks of the end of our 2010 display season, we are looking to the future, and as ever, the need to keep XH558 flying for the benefit of the public and her knowledgeable and enthusiastic supporters.
Our plans going forward will be geared to guaranteeing that this goal of flying in 2012 is achieved, but I know now that there will be significant funding challenges ahead.
What amount needs to be raised for 2011 and 2012?

I feel that at the end of this flying season it will be the last time it is seen flying  :cry:  :cry: .  This is only my view.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: RHP on September 01, 2010, 03:12:26 PM
Have to agree with the comments from minty4371 unfortunately  :cry: . I think that the Trust is excelling itself this year in its inability to provide the information they've promised as minty4371 has itemised. As for this "big push" and revitalising of the fundraising efforts we seem to be absolutely nowhere. In my view, while the Club seems to move forward the Trust defeats us by going backwards even faster.

I haven't seen XH558 in the air this year. I too feel that the liklihood of doing so in the future is fast diminishing. We are being very, very badly let down  :( .
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: sickbag_andy on September 01, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
can we re-name this topic doom-mongers' corner please? It's in a public area and one of the first items newcomers are likely to read - what a wonderful welcome for them!

Maybe we can set up a doom-mongers corner in the club section out of public view so all those who feel doomed can have a mass moan together and those of us that have a slightly rosier outlook on life can carefully avoid the moan-zone!

Bearing in mind that we are coming to the end of the busiest part of the flying season and just because we are not seeing developments posted here it doesn't mean there's nothing going on, I'm sure there will be activities behind the scenes and hopefully we will receive an update when the flying activities calm down , I'm sure lessons will have been learnt and time will tell. B + !
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 01, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
As every year we need around £1.8 million each year. The people concerned with finding that money, or as much of it as possible, are busy finding it. I'm not as worried about next year as i was about this year last year if thats any help. :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 01, 2010, 03:47:53 PM
Calling people "Doom-mongers" doesn't answer any of the questions that have been raised in this topic over the course of this month , though , does it !!  ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: sickbag_andy on September 01, 2010, 04:08:41 PM
but the doom and gloom in some of the posts is hardly a good first impression, maybe I put it in a slightly sarcastic way but I feel such discussions would be better in the members area rather than here where it might put off 'would be' new supporters (or sponsors for that matter)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: StAthan lecky on September 01, 2010, 07:01:27 PM
Isn't this a case in question for the Moderators to move all these posts to the "Members Only" area thus allowing healthy debate to continue out of the public gaze.

 :roll:

Mike
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: eddief on September 01, 2010, 10:37:55 PM
I think it should stay in the public gaze personally.

Only a tiny proportion of 558's supporters are likely to see or be influenced by this forum.  (Let's face it, there have been "other" forums over the years that have absolutely castrated the whole case for flying a Vulcan, let alone the way it has been achieved... year after year after year...)

AND, there are some important questions to be answered (having spoken with 'various' people over the past week, I know those answers are at last in the pipeline).

As I have said before, everyone makes mistakes, gets over-optimistic and drops balls.  But the ones that succeed are those that can handle these problems, learn from them & improve.  THIS is an 'improving' place in my eyes & I look forward to the coming weeks when I personally expect to see some pretty clear numbers, explanations & analyses on this site.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on September 02, 2010, 09:00:37 AM
Eddie, let's hope so.  While it may be wrong, the easy conclusion to draw is that the coming winter will be no different to the last one.  Obviously there are more important things to do for those trying to get the serious money through the door than keep us fully up to speed, and some of the things they are trying to do are probably currently required to be kept hushed up, however it would be nice to get a little bit of positivity now and again.

When I started this thread ages ago, it was because I'd got the distinct impression that throughout this year's show season there would be some osrt o fhard hitting campaign to emphasise the fact that 558 lives a hand to mouth existence, and once she's sat down for the final time this year there is/was not enough in the bank to make it to next year without the support of the public or some big companies.  I've not seen anything to that effect at any of the shows I've been to.  The public are under the impression that the enormous bequest that saw 558 through her winter (more like spring!) servicing means she's sorted until she expires, and don't seem to realise that this may not be the case.  A lot of people at Dunsfold certainly thought this, and upon being told of the potential financial issues were usually quite happy to stick some money in the buckets or even join the club.  If everyone visiting the stands was to see information to that effect, maybe we would get more in donations, standing orders etc.  That's not to say people weren't buying and donating anyway.  On Sunday, the VV was swamped for most of the afternoon due to the rather early display slot, and the rattly buckets alone raised over £800.  We gained several dozen new members, and the team sold so much stock that more had to be brought down for the next day.  The time to strike is those not in the know when she is in the air, not sat in a hangar hoping for someone's pity.  Also, Taff, Sam and all the lads have excelled themselves once again, and it would be a total injustice to all their efforts if they spent the whole of the winter on a month's notice - or worse

Out of a matter of interest, are we going to hear anything back from Farnborough?  Wasn't there something supposed to be going on as a result of discussions with some big company there?  I guess that will be one of those things that can't be talked about until it's all sorted out, which is quite understandable.

I'm not a doom-monger.  I'm just worried that there's no news because either there's no news, or even worse, it's bad news!  As with Gregg, I'm not as worried about next year as I was about this year, however it would be nice to have some sort of reassurance that something very positive is in the pipeline.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Mayfly on September 02, 2010, 09:22:20 AM
Quote from: "speedy"
Eddie, let's hope so.  While it may be wrong, the easy conclusion to draw is that the coming winter will be no different to the last one.  Obviously there are more important things to do for those trying to get the serious money through the door than keep us fully up to speed, and some of the things they are trying to do are probably currently required to be kept hushed up, however it would be nice to get a little bit of positivity now and again.

When I started this thread ages ago, it was because I'd got the distinct impression that throughout this year's show season there would be some osrt o fhard hitting campaign to emphasise the fact that 558 lives a hand to mouth existence, and once she's sat down for the final time this year there is/was not enough in the bank to make it to next year without the support of the public or some big companies.  I've not seen anything to that effect at any of the shows I've been to.  The public are under the impression that the enormous bequest that saw 558 through her winter (more like spring!) servicing means she's sorted until she expires, and don't seem to realise that this may not be the case.  A lot of people at Dunsfold certainly thought this, and upon being told of the potential financial issues were usually quite happy to stick some money in the buckets or even join the club.  If everyone visiting the stands was to see information to that effect, maybe we would get more in donations, standing orders etc.  That's not to say people weren't buying and donating anyway.  On Sunday, the VV was swamped for most of the afternoon due to the rather early display slot, and the rattly buckets alone raised over £800.  We gained several dozen new members, and the team sold so much stock that more had to be brought down for the next day.  The time to strike is those not in the know when she is in the air, not sat in a hangar hoping for someone's pity.  Also, Taff, Sam and all the lads have excelled themselves once again, and it would be a total injustice to all their efforts if they spent the whole of the winter on a month's notice - or worse

Out of a matter of interest, are we going to hear anything back from Farnborough?  Wasn't there something supposed to be going on as a result of discussions with some big company there?  I guess that will be one of those things that can't be talked about until it's all sorted out, which is quite understandable.

I'm not a doom-monger.  I'm just worried that there's no news because either there's no news, or even worse, it's bad news!  As with Gregg, I'm not as worried about next year as I was about this year, however it would be nice to have some sort of reassurance that something very positive is in the pipeline.


That was my impression too Speedy.



On another tack wasn't there an item a couple of months ago that there were to be 8??? big events - has anyone seen any more about this - or was I dreaming?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Topsy on September 02, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: "Mayfly"
On another tack wasn't there an item a couple of months ago that there were to be 8??? big events - has anyone seen any more about this - or was I dreaming?
No you weren't dreaming. It was called something like '5 months, 5 big events' on the homepage, but disappeared some time ago.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on September 02, 2010, 09:59:33 AM
I wonder if Farnborough, RIAT and Waddo count as three of those events?  Dunno if it was big events that 'we' were doing, or big events 558 was going to....
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Mayfly on September 02, 2010, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: "Topsy"
Quote from: "Mayfly"
On another tack wasn't there an item a couple of months ago that there were to be 8??? big events - has anyone seen any more about this - or was I dreaming?
No you weren't dreaming. It was called something like '5 months, 5 big events' on the homepage, but disappeared some time ago.

Ah thats right! Thanks perhaps I'm more sane than I thought!! :lol:

I got the impression that whatever they were, they were in addition to airshows and didn't necessarily mean 558 would be there - however I could have got the wrong end of the stick.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: PA28 on September 02, 2010, 05:06:44 PM
There were and still are things in the planning, away from some of the Major Air Shows, but certainly, I can list some major activities that have already been done as part of those events everyone wishes to pin a number on:

I think the reference was removed off the Home Page in the Site re-build, as some had already been actioned, while timescales of others also slipped far longer than anticipated by external factors, meaning it was difficult to give a definitive launch date, and hence - tricky to promote.

Off the top of my head:

1. New Web Site Build - here for all to see.
2. The Farnborough Initiative - Including  "Be Part of It!"  (Still on the front page)
3. A major advertising campaign in 'quality' Magazines during July (detailed in a recent update off Dr. P)
4. New Newsletter Service (about to launch next week) - nice and jazzy and informative, like the Home Page look. (Chicken & Egg - we have to have the look and technological back up, and a lot of work has gone into sorting various databases)
5. An event/competition that was planned for 2010, but because of legal issues and red tape to address, this will now possibly happen in 2011.
(I can't possibly comment more on that, because the prizes would have been stunning!)
6. A Grand Auction of parts, Artworks and other items that I am currently working on, for late season (October Event on ebay)
7. Another event still in planning..... (......Did I mention a Members' Day at all !!!)
8. Another event still in planning, but based around Children in Need.
9. A fly-in at Coventry to benefit 'Help for Heroes' and raise our profile.
10. Another event still in planning.... but based on email marketing to our own and friendly party databases.

There's 10, although there are a few more in various stages, and of course, no doubt will be revealed as time goes on.
(Does a new Forum count as another?)
Then of course, we had/have the Birthday Card Signing, The Birthday Video, The New Merchandise Store, The Text Donation service, promoted over the PA at most events, and of course, a very active Air Show presence on the ground by Club and Trust, with far more stands than any other season and far higher stocks and sales of Merchandise. I know, because I have had a job keeping up with demand of supply!

Rest assured, both from  the Club and Trust aspect, if we can possibly make "promotional mileage" out of something, then it has been looked into and will be launched just as soon as sensible to do so. As mentioned above by others, some things take longer than we would ideally like.

I think that can settle some worries as to if a BIG PUSH has been going on!

Regards,
Ian.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Topsy on September 02, 2010, 05:26:59 PM
I think the main problem with the 5 big events thing was that they weren't ever listed so no-one really had an idea what the big events were for sure.

Perhaps if we'd had the new website listed as a 'June event' it would have been easier to keep track of.
I'm not criticising your efforts in any way, but until you listed the events in your post above I really couldn't fathom what they all were. As it had gone from the homepage it was easy just to think they'd been canned.

Glad to see that there's still plenty going on behind the scenes though.  :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 02, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
Text Donation service ?? ....... errr , wasn't that brought in at the begining of August 2009 ?? ;)  :D
"The Farnborough Initiative" ..... so what exactly happened ?? The only thing I've seen mentioned is the "Be Part of It!" scheme.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Stevee on September 03, 2010, 08:43:37 AM
I too was beginning to think that I had imagined the 'Five Big Events' planned for this year. PA28's list does give an insight into the impressive amount of work going on behind the scenes but, and this is I know is purely my interpretation, I'm struggling to find five big events in there. I expected major media events that would be aimed at the wider public etc linked to and celebrating XH558's birthday during the flying season. A lot of the list is on going, were sorely needed or are directed towards aviation enthusiasts who are probably already aware of XH558.

The list does hint at things that are planned but haven't as yet come to fruition for various reasons.

I've been a member of the club for many years and along the way have there have been many promises made, some to entice donations, that haven't been fulfilled. There are good and genuine reasons for this. The members day has been hard to organise due to the very fact that so many people flock to see XH558 flying at every opportunity. It was found impossible to put donators names on to the bomb bay door. (I appreciate they are on a banner but I've never seen it. When I asked at Fairford it was 'in the van in a box somewhere and couldn't be found.) Now this year there were going to be these five events which have not all happened.

If the club/trust can not for whatever reason fulfill the promises that it has itself made, can it not please, make more effort to either do what it can to keep the very people on whom we are constantly told the club depends informed on what the reasons are or to ensure that when something else is put in place it is seen through.

What I could have said in a nutshell, has been said many times before - MORE INFORMATION PLEASE!

(I know that everyone involved in the club and trust is very busy and inevitably not everything can would ideally be done, can be done. Do we need a push aimed at getting more club members involved in the club admin to share the work load?)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gully on September 03, 2010, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Stevee"

(I know that everyone involved in the club and trust is very busy and inevitably not everything can would ideally be done, can be done. Do we need a push aimed at getting more club members involved in the club admin to share the work load?)

The Club is always looking for active volunteers to support what we do, but within your list above there is only one matter that is for the Club to arrange: the Members' Day. The other elements are Trust-based.

The challenge of arranging the Members' Day is the subject of another thread, so I won't open that up here - suffice to say that we continue to explore options to find one that works for the Club, Trust and CAA. As far as I am aware, this is the only promise the Club has made that is yet to be fulfilled and it is not for the want of trying on the part of past and current committee members.

Gully
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 03, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Of all the promises made by club and trust, the most important one was kept, you have a flying Vulcan. now go and have a beer and be happy. :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 03, 2010, 08:51:59 PM
Just read the latest update on the Website {  http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/115/ ... -2010.html (http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/115/82/Update---3rd-September-2010.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) } ........
I think it will take more than a beer to be happy ---- Don't think even a bottle of "Black Seal 151'" will achieve that !!  :(
{ Oops ..... better watch out , or I'll be accused of "Doom-mongering" again !!  ;)  :twisted: }
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on September 12, 2010, 11:46:08 AM
So is it to late?

3 weeks money left according to the news from Jersey.

Have we missed the boat?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: jangor on September 12, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: "leslie"
So is it to late?

3 weeks money left according to the news from Jersey.

Have we missed the boat?


I was not aware that we are `that low` on funds....................... :o
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: minty4371 on September 12, 2010, 08:35:53 PM
Quote from: "jangor"
I was not aware that we are `that low` on funds....................... :o
Nobody knows, apart from the Trust.  Hope we are told soon.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on September 13, 2010, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: "minty4371"
Quote from: "jangor"
I was not aware that we are `that low` on funds....................... :o
Nobody knows, apart from the Trust.  Hope we are told soon.

Just going on the info from this video.
http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonli ... ?id=490775 (http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_jerseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=490775" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 13, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
I am sorry if this offend's anybody but i beleave club member's who faithfully support XH558 should not be told about this crisis through the media.....it is more than a little discourteous ....Out   at shows and in the background club member's put thousand's of hour's of free time  in and put there private lives on hold  and have done this in previous years it is not the way to encourage them for the future..To get the best from people you have to take them with you and tell them of the problems before they get to this stage......
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gully on September 13, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: "bigmike67"
I am sorry if this offend's anybody but i beleave club member's who faithfully support XH558 should not be told about this crisis through the media.....it is more than a little discourteous ....Out   at shows and in the background club member's put thousand's of hour's of free time  in and put there private lives on hold  and have done this in previous years it is not the way to encourage them for the future..To get the best from people you have to take them with you and tell them of the problems before they get to this stage......

Indeed. Check out how the Bloodhound Project is addressing their financial difficulties - all very open and refreshing! (Thanks to Mrs. A for pointing me towards Bloodhound's site and Facebook presence).

Gully
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: dee on September 13, 2010, 03:36:13 PM
Sorry but surely we arn't back in this position again are we??!! :(
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on September 13, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
Hopefully not, no news is good news I guess.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 13, 2010, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: "dee"
Sorry but surely we arn't back in this position again are we??!! :(



If a spokesman state's and quite clearley makes a statement in public in   a television interview " that we only have enough money for the next three week's "  it cannot mean anything else.....Question's... is there enough money or provision  made to keep the aircraft out of the weather in the winter and where will that be ?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on September 14, 2010, 07:12:30 AM
It's time we were told the situation, good or bad, then we will know exactly what needs to be done.  Two displays left to go and one of them appears to be a private event, again !!  :x

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 14, 2010, 08:33:17 AM
Quote from: "upandaway"
It's time we were told the situation, good or bad, then we will know exactly what needs to be done.  Two displays left to go and one of them appears to be a private event, again !!  :x

Arthur


I totaly agree this is history repeating itself again.... the projected spending forcast for the year  should be transparent......
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Four-Wheel-Drive on September 14, 2010, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: "bigmike67"
Quote from: "upandaway"
It's time we were told the situation, good or bad, then we will know exactly what needs to be done.  Two displays left to go and one of them appears to be a private event, again !!  :x

Arthur


I totaly agree this is history repeating itself again.... the projected spending forcast for the year  should be transparent......


Agreed!!!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: brains_mt on September 14, 2010, 09:59:53 AM
Filton is a private event because its a families day. BAe Systems are holding the event for their employees.

I want going to get involved in this thread but here goes........

I'm sure when there is something to know we will know it and I know that the Trust and Trustees are doing everything they can to ensure the future of 558 just as we in the club are. There are still shows to do and I am still working up till the beginning of december (along with lots of others) and planning for next year too. At the end of the day I know I will have done everything I can to keep 558 flying. I hope you can all say the same thing (and its not all about money but time as well).

 We are always going to have a funding problem (until Mr Rich comes along) and its no news that money was due to run out at the end of september. While I appreciate the frustration of not knowing, it is time to stand united again and to do everything we can as individuals and collectively to keep 558 in the public eye and to think about what we can do to help. However you feel, it is so much harder for the people who will be given notice again and wont know their future until it happens. This not just a flying aircraft, to some its their job and their families welfare.

Please be patient and give some thought to what is written on here. There is so much more to this than meets the eye. Yes we are all frustrated and exasperated and impatient to know but being demanding and loud on here wont solve the problem. This is a bad time for every charity and most arent supporting a nuclear bomber. We have survived through thick and thin up till now. Lets do everything we can to keep going and hope the future is triangle shaped!

Ok I'll get my coat before the incoming hits the proverbial!!! :lol:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 14, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
Ok I'll get my coat before the incoming hits the proverbial!!! :lol:[/quote]


You do not have to run for cover....but if people do not voice there opinions here where do they, you will find they just drift away......The statement made on television should not have been made....." we are still looking for funding this aircraft and we hope to have her flying next year" not a doom and disaster again  "we have three weeks left"  that does not encourage big money to come out of the closit and does not put you in a good bargaining position for sponser's because they dictate the terms...and does not help the volunteer's morale......     ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: brains_mt on September 14, 2010, 10:35:53 AM
My last word......

The truth is we have 3 weeks funding left and we are actively searching for funding to ensure that 558 flies next year. Both statements are true but the media is a difficult thing to deal with and I really dont know which is the best way to approach it. Doom and disaster sells as we all know and good news isnt newsworthy.

As for people voicing their opinions, thats absolutely fine (after all these are my opinions too) but as we have asked many times before, think about what is written, how its written, your audience and how others will read it (can it be read several different ways??) and read and re-read it before you press the button to send it. And accept that there is always at least one other side to everything so try to see the other side too. We have no problem with opinions unless they not not abide by the rules and the mods will not remove any unless they break the forum rules.

In my opinion, this forum is a great place to keep us all chatting and also to keep the club as a group of like minded people all working to keep 558 flying.  :D  Right ...Im off to arrange Filton and Stoke Bruerne shows and to do some new memberships...... :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 14, 2010, 10:46:45 AM
I know about the media you do not have to sell the aircraft it has caught the imagination of the nation ...it just like politician's answer's do not give the reporter the answer he is after give him your message of success.....thanks for your time brains_mt  this is a quick reply so no smiley...smiley twice
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Topsy on September 14, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
For what it's worth I think the Trust are probably doing their darnedest to get funding. I certainly don't think they've been sat around resting on their laurels all year.

However if wealthy people and companies wont donate or sponsor then what can you do?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 14, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
I am quite sure they are doing there best.Invester's Sponser's get interested and like to be assoiated with success you cannot keep putting your begging bowl out and hope people will bale you out! apart from the weather the season has been a fantastic succces work on what has been achieved so far by everybody concerned then you naturally draw people to the project because people want to be a part of it ......do not put out negative statement's...otherwise you sound like the ex Chancellor of the Exchequer.........all the best to everyone ... :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Panel 10 on September 14, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
Yeah ' course there is.  :!:  

Quote from: "brains_mt"
And accept that there is always at least one other side to everything so try to see the other side too.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: jangor on September 14, 2010, 09:08:21 PM
Quote from: "upandaway"
It's time we were told the situation, good or bad, then we will know exactly what needs to be done.  Two displays left to go and one of them appears to be a private event, again !!  :x

Arthur


Exactly.....................

The way I feel at the moment, (with pressures at home and work), if it is down to the begging bowl again, then I am out of here when this years membership expires.......... :o
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 14, 2010, 09:19:26 PM
It's mid september, we run out of money at the end of september, those in charge and those of us not in charge are doing our utmost to raise funds. I'm not sure what else anyone can tell you.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Sarah Favell on September 14, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: "jangor"
Quote from: "upandaway"
It's time we were told the situation, good or bad, then we will know exactly what needs to be done.  Two displays left to go and one of them appears to be a private event, again !!  :x

Arthur


Exactly.....................

The way I feel at the moment, (with pressures at home and work), if it is down to the begging bowl again, then I am out of here when this years membership expires.......... :o

I, like Jane, wasn't going to comment on this thread but Gordon's comment made me put finger to keyboard. Please remember the mission of the club is not only to support 558 through her flying years but beyond, maybe with 10 or more years of fast taxy life in her. We musn't give up on her as a club. We must think long term as well as short. Whatever happens,I'm here till corrosion and no one else dictates we have no more 558.  :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 14, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: "Gregg"
... I'm not sure what else anyone can tell you.
Errr.....how about something official from the Trust either confirming or denying the situation { after all , the only "official" info comes from comments Sean Maffett made in an interview } -- maybe this will occur in the next Newsletter ??
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 14, 2010, 09:43:20 PM
It came from the trust earlier this year that funding would run out in September and i believe it was in Doc Bob's latest newsletter that the financial position wasn't good. Eddie has also commented on it.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: eddief on September 14, 2010, 09:55:16 PM
I'm not sure about the club's official line on this, but if I wanted to support a grounded Vulcan then (with all due respect to our chums in Southend) I'd have ploughed my company's money into XL426 for the past few years instead.  (Or if I just wanted a warbird to play with, I'd have bought something & parked it at Dunsfold for occasional runs down the runway).

As things stand, there are plenty of Vulcans sat on the tarmac but we have the only one in existence that is still flying.

Keeping her in the air is the absolute priority in my opinion.

As things stand, Aerobytes will be writing the cheque to ensure she appears at Coventry (in support of Help for Heroes) and will probably be writing further cheques to keep things afloat until the facts have been digested & a positive course of action emerges.

And I'm afraid it is completely unrealistic to expect the Trust to produce a detailed breakdown of facts & figures when they've only just reached the end of a hectic season (not just flying 558 but trying to win potential sponsors - who don't like hearing they might be investing in a 'dog' - and also finding her a home for the winter).  

Things are far more complicated & interdependent than some of us seem to appreciate.

So I am here for the shorter-term (but hopefully as long as possible) - the YEARS when 558 remains the world's only flying Vulcan.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: jangor on September 14, 2010, 10:00:59 PM
One question that comes to my mind is, when 558 finally runs out of `flying hours` and is grounded and used for fast taxis only, will the trust be run/handled in the same way, and will the public be asked year after year to dip into their pockets to keep her in the pristine condition she is in........... :?:

Okay, she will be cheaper to run, but some of 558s supporters may only be here for her when she is flying and decide to `jump ship` when this is no longer possible.................

As said, there are plenty of static Vulcans around the country for people to see...........


There has to be a time when enough is enough.........................
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Sarah Favell on September 14, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
I'm not for one minute suggesting I'm putting all my thoughts long term.....558 should remain fully serviceable and flying for as long as possible...but when she does coming to the end of her flying years will everyone just walk away? I would hope not. Operating costs would be considerably cheaper and no doubt the club's activities and fundraising will reflect this.  :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 14, 2010, 10:09:39 PM
I wont be, i was knocking around  her many years before she flew again and i intend to for many years after.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: ian livingstone on September 14, 2010, 10:13:39 PM
I see no reason to stop supporting now.  I'll support XH558 while there's an XH558
Ian
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: eddief on September 14, 2010, 10:15:06 PM
That time has not yet come...

And it only costs a tiny fraction of our current budget to maintain a ground-running aircraft (fuel, some maintenance & lots of free labour).

But we're missing the point - we still have a flying Vulcan & (so far as I can surmise at this point) things can't be as bad for us this winter as they were last time around - no major servicing to perform this time for a start & an earlier 'call to arms' (before the snow & Xmas which whacked us last time)...

We got pulled through last time because of a well-timed bequest, but that just about covered the extra costs of the major servicing.  The other pledges & ongoing income from thousands of others paid the 'background' bills that kept her in the air for 2010.

THIS time, we have a far larger database of contacts (thanks to the Birthday Appeal) and if the 'knight in shining armour' fails to arrive & we're left with the same old formula, then at least we can spread the load more thinly across us all this time around.

This aircraft is FAR from being another aluminum statue of what 'has been'...
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Gregg on September 14, 2010, 10:18:12 PM
What you are seeing Eddie me old sausage is people showing their commitment. :).....or showing their need to be committed :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: eddief on September 14, 2010, 10:44:41 PM
Just sticking my knife in the sand, loading up & preparing for battle (like the last few winters).

But this should be an easier winter (for all the reasons mentioned above) and it will be a happier one for us all - so long as we stick together and remain just the right side of obsessive about 558...
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: StAthan lecky on September 14, 2010, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: "eddief"
Just sticking my knife in the sand, loading up & preparing for battle (like the last few winters).

But this should be an easier winter (for all the reasons mentioned above) and it will be a happier one for us all - so long as we stick together and remain just the right side of obsessive about 558...

Roger that

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Mike
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Pujgnie on September 14, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
On behalf of 'Team Bournemouth' - folks down here have not given up, and never will.  ;)

We will plod away doing what we can to raise funding during the crucial winter months.  Hopefully this years appeal will be a bit less than those of the past few years.  :?:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: MikeC on September 14, 2010, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: "Pujgnie"
On behalf of 'Team Bournemouth' - folks down here have not given up, and never will.  ;)

We will plod away doing what we can to raise funding during the crucial winter months.  Hopefully this years appeal will be a bit less than those of the past few years.  :?:

Amen to that  :D .
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: brains_mt on September 14, 2010, 11:29:15 PM
And on that I will go to bed .......with a headache!!!! However I'll be back for more tomorrow :roll:  :lol:  :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 15, 2010, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: "eddief"
.....and it will be a happier one for us all - so long as we stick together and remain just the right side of obsessive about 558...

Unfortunately , it's all down to simple economics { cold hard cash ! }
By the Trust's own figures , from the 03/09 Newsletter :
"The total donation income raised in this Appeal was £401,000 from approximately 4,600 donations - an average of £87 per donation – against the target of £800,000. ........
For comparison, the Appeal over the same period in 2009 raised £795,000 from about 10,000 donations, over twice as many donations as this year."

In other words , less than half the number of people donated compared to the previous appeal , but the average donation only increased by 10%
And be honest........ how many of you can afford to match or exceed what you donated last time ??
I know for curtain that I can't.
Simple facts in my case :
Over the last 18 months , my weekly commute distance has more than trebled , but my working hours have almost halved  -- so no way can I afford to match either last year's or even my previous year's donation.
Be honest....how many of you on this Forum are in similar circumstances ??
I remember after the last Appeal reading how some Forum members had pledged / donated ammounts they could not afford --- will they be prepared to do so again this time ??
"A number of the discussions held with several influential people during RIAT and Farnborough Week are being pursued .......
......there are more than 30 independent conversations being followed up......."
Now hopefully something beneficial will arise from one or more of these discussions , which will { at a minimum } result in a drastically reduced Appeal target this time around , because the simple fact is that there is only so much & so many times the average Club Member can afford to give.
 
Right........come on.......it's time for the usual accusations from some of you about "doom-mongering" again !!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Stevee on September 15, 2010, 08:26:38 AM
It has been given, earlier in this topic, that one reason for a lack of detailed information regarding the financial situation of the project was not to give potential investors the idea that they might be 'investing in a 'dog'.

Surely, any investor of the size that the project needs to really secure it's future would have to be told, and I expect, would make their very own detailed analysis of the of the financial footing and running of the project from the outset. I don't really see that any negotiations with sponsors could possibly be affected by giving club members and the general public more information.

Also, if 'doom and disaster' stories are more news worthy, maybe they are also more likely to get people to put their hands in their pockets. Problem is, that might pull in a bit of money first time or second time round, but when it happens again and again, people probably get tired of the same message.

They might donate to keep a Vulcan flying, but when it is only apparently for another year, many may ask - Is it worth it?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Mags on September 15, 2010, 09:31:05 AM
Like Eddie's quote about staying on the right side of obsessive :lol:
Anyway - I intend sticking around and doing everything I can.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: RHP on September 15, 2010, 12:23:27 PM
The point has already been made by "Stevee", but is probably worth emphasising. As far as major commercial sponsorship is concerned, the law of diminishing returns is not on our side. We are possibly half way through the flying life of the aircraft now. While under favourable economic circumstances Sponsors could have looked forward to up to 10 years of flying life and exposure of their message, this with experience has been revised down due to increased FI usage. There are now possibly only 3 years of flying life left. Would this be a prudent investment for major (6 figure) investment - probably not. Keeping XH558 in the air will be down to the likes of us again, together with purely philanthropic larger donations - if any.

I fully expect a further message of doom from the Trust shortly.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: StAthan lecky on September 15, 2010, 01:01:09 PM
I believe that the first thing that any potential sponsor should be shown (other than the balance sheet) is the contents of this forum so that they (the prospective sponsor) can see for themselves the depth of passion and commitment of the loyal club members ,then they may understand the true nature of what they are being asked to fund.


Mike
 :(
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on September 15, 2010, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: "Mags"
Like Eddie's quote about staying on the right side of obsessive :lol:
Anyway - I intend sticking around and doing everything I can.


Same here Mags!!!

I was with XH 558 supporting her when to get her flying was a "Wild Dream" on the horizon, now she is flying and hopefully for 4 years ;)  ;)  Even when she retires I will still support something I believed in & still do :D  :D

PS
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Sarah Favell on September 15, 2010, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: "StAthan lecky"
I believe that the first thing that any potential sponsor should be shown (other than the balance sheet) is the contents of this forum so that they (the prospective sponsor) can see for themselves the depth of passion and commitment of the loyal club members ,then they may understand the true nature of what they are being asked to fund.


Mike
 :(
If passion for this aircraft was turned into flying time and cash we'd be operational for years.  :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: dee on September 15, 2010, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: "Sarah Favell"
Quote from: "StAthan lecky"
I believe that the first thing that any potential sponsor should be shown (other than the balance sheet) is the contents of this forum so that they (the prospective sponsor) can see for themselves the depth of passion and commitment of the loyal club members ,then they may understand the true nature of what they are being asked to fund.


Mike
 :(
If passion for this aircraft was turned into flying time and cash we'd be operational for years.  :)
Well said both of you :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 15, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
Quote from: eddief
 ).

        (also finding her a home for the winter).  

 I been away for the last 48 hour's and i am just trying to catch up with this thread and i would like to clarify my quote that eddief has picked up on.......If you put out statement's and i quote "we will be running out of money in the next 3 week's"...it lead's to speculation... like what is going to happen now then!...the Trust has got be very careful of it's perceived public image ...I do know a little about this as i was photojournalist for most of my working life ...from that statement you could get stories that read   VULCAN GROUNDED THROUGH LACK OF FUNDS....TRUST RUNS OUT MONEY AGAIN......this is last thing that anybody want's ..in our bad economic climate you want success stories which XH588 is ..it is a remarkable achievment so far and i am sure has a long way to run and lot of history to create in the future.........and the real message that comes from these posting's and Sarah Favell  put it so well   "passion" and with that this club and the member's can do anything......... :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: leslie on September 16, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
obviously the trust and management team are not to worried about the cash running out soon, so why should we?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 16, 2010, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: "leslie"
obviously the trust and management team are not to worried about the cash running out soon, so why should we?



That is very reassuring Leslie we all do not have to worry about funding now...I do not know what all the fuss was about in the past ..  ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: sickbag_andy on September 16, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: "wcg"
Unfortunately , it's all down to simple economics { cold hard cash ! }
By the Trust's own figures , from the 03/09 Newsletter :
"The total donation income raised in this Appeal was £401,000 from approximately 4,600 donations - an average of £87 per donation – against the target of £800,000. ........
For comparison, the Appeal over the same period in 2009 raised £795,000 from about 10,000 donations, over twice as many donations as this year."


Blimey , so the Trust can foresee the future! Hopefully with such foresight we can all be re-assured.......
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 17, 2010, 06:20:57 AM
That's 03/09 as in 3rd September !!
I couldn't be arsed to write it as 03/09/10 , as I though it was obvious what I was referring to !  ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: sickbag_andy on September 17, 2010, 07:37:07 AM
Quote from: "wcg"
That's 03/09 as in 3rd September !!
I couldn't be arsed to write it as 03/09/10 , as I though it was obvious what I was referring to !  ;)


apologies Clive - it wasn't obvious to me (can I blame age and tiredness please?). I thought it was March 2009, never occurred to me that it was accurate to the day. I thought the 09 appeals reached it's target around March time so just assumed the rest.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 17, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
No worries.  :D
My thinking was that it was an easier way to refer to the last Newsletter.
Then again , what'sthe old saying about assume ....... ??  ;)  :mrgreen:
Maybe next time I'll just write it as "3rd September" { or whatever the date I'm referring to }

Then again , maybe the Trust can forsee the future......after all , in previous Appeals they obviously foresaw that the Club members & mysterious benefactors would stump up the funding to keep '558 flying , rather than see it fail !!  :twisted:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: bigmike67 on September 18, 2010, 11:31:25 AM
I think Mystic Megg is no longer employed by the lottery people perhap's we can ask her for a reading on the future... :D
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Topsy on September 22, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
An article here from Dr P suggesting they need £400,000 by the end of October. http://www.industrytoday.co.uk/aerospace/ (http://www.industrytoday.co.uk/aerospace/last-ever-public-flight-for-the-incredible-avro-vulcan-cold-war-peace-keeper-could-be-at-help-for-heroes-fundraising-day/2071)
Not quite sure how they'll achieve that sum if that's relying purely on public donations!  :shock:


Something else that startled me somewhat is this:
Quote
The Trust hopes to fly the aircraft for at least two more display seasons, including the year of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee in 2012, which is also the 60th anniversary of the first flight of the Vulcan and the 30th anniversary of its heroic role in the Falklands conflict. "The airframe has limited time before it will no longer be possible to renew its Permit to Fly," explains Dr Pleming.
Now I thought we had (money permitting) four years left. This article seems to be suggesting only two!  :o
Hope that's not the case!
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: minty4371 on September 22, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
£400,000 by the end of October? :o   That works out at just less than £13,000 per day. :o
I wonder when we will get the email asking for the money?
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: minty4371 on September 22, 2010, 09:04:25 PM
Article is now here.
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/121/ ... ished.html (http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/121/82/Press-Release-published.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Joseph on September 22, 2010, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: "minty4371"
£400,000 by the end of October? :o   That works out at just less than £13,000 per day. :o
I wonder when we will get the email asking for the money?

To be precise it is £10256.41 over 39 days

achievable? Yes

Easily? NO

So lets all buckle to and empty our wallets and purses etc
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Pujgnie on September 22, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
Just fired this latest article off to the local Echo - to get the news spread further afield to the masses.

Suggest you all do the same... time is not on our side (again)  :roll:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on September 23, 2010, 07:23:57 AM
Quote from: "Pujgnie"
Just fired this latest article off to the local Echo - to get the news spread further afield to the masses.

Suggest you all do the same... time is not on our side (again)  :roll:

Yes I agree, will do the same for the Southern echo ( I hope they do not get fed up of us every year)

PS
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on September 23, 2010, 09:10:20 AM
I think that now more than ever we need to broadcast the need for cash on the TV.  Sky and or BBC News 24 have carried the story in the past and I'm sure could do so again.
I remember a reporter all over '558 at Bruntingthorpe during the restoration telling the story to the world.  We have to get the word out far and wide and surely a five minute piece repeated during the day would have a huge impact.

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: brains_mt on September 23, 2010, 09:45:22 AM
Its getting them to do it that is the problem. Ive said over and over that 5 minutes on the One Show would be amazing for us but how to get it on there??? Perhaps if some of you try to phone them or email (but dont overdo it please!!!!) There must be a way and Ive even offered to do things in public like TV (what a thought and before you say it  I mean speak up..nothing else!!).......although Sarah F did suggest we tie ourselves naked to the Houses of Parliament!!!!! :o  :o  :oops:  :lol:

Try calling and asking is all I can suggest but be courteous at all times please.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on September 23, 2010, 10:20:27 AM
I thought the idea (as per title of the thread) was we wouldn't end up in this situation again, never mind two years on the trot?  The last but one time the aircraft appears in public is NOT the time to suddenly announce to the world that £400K is needed in five weeks!!  For months (if not even before the first flight this year), people have been asking what will be needed for a successful winter, and the silence has been deafening.  Visitors to the stand(s) at the shows have all been blissfully unaware that the money runs out at the end of the flying season, and nowhere was it spelled out in big letters that every penny would be neeed for next year.  Most people that asked me directly about next year were taken aback when I suggested 558 was at present only guaranteed to finish this year, and most of those subsequently put some pennies in the pot.

I wonder how much more could have been raised over the last few months if those who saw her in the air were aware at the time that things were looking bleak again?  Obviously you can't be too negative with publicity, but I really do feel that the true extent of the situation (or at least a pointer towards it) should have been made far more apparent to the general public, never mind the membership.  I'm staggered by the quoted figure, I was under the impression that apart from a general wash and brush up, so to speak, there wasn't anything significantly costly on the agenda for the winter that might not have been covered or beg and borrow-able.

Why has it been left so late to tell everyone?  Again??
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: RHP on September 23, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
I agree with you Speedy. I think the nearest thing we have to an explanation is from EddieF who answered a similar missive from me here:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=551 (http://www.vulcantothesky.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=551" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: Smudger565 on September 23, 2010, 10:58:02 AM
Quote from: "speedy"
IVisitors to the stand(s) at the shows have all been blissfully unaware that the money runs out at the end of the flying season, and nowhere was it spelled out in big letters that every penny would be neeed for next year.  Most people that asked me directly about next year were taken aback when I suggested 558 was at present only guaranteed to finish this year, and most of those subsequently put some pennies in the pot.

I have only been to Dunsfold this year so I cannot speak about the other but.......

The commentor at Dunsfold told all the public on both days that money was urgently needed and was running out at the end of September, we on the VV stand told all people the money was running out so.....You tell the people then they just ok!!! & walk past the bucket without putting anything in the pots  :x  :x

PS
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on September 23, 2010, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: "Smudger565"

I have only been to Dunsfold this year so I cannot speak about the other but.......

The commentor at Dunsfold told all the public on both days that money was urgently needed and was running out at the end of September, we on the VV stand told all people the money was running out so.....You tell the people then they just ok!!! & walk past the bucket without putting anything in the pots  :x  :x

PS

Well, apparently the buckets raised over £800 on the first day (explains why my arm nearly fell off!).  I got about £50 just by walking the bucket down the edge of the member's enclosure as she left.  However, I do feel that the true scale of the situation wasn't made as apparent as it might have been.  But, as I've said before, how far can you go before people wonder if it's not just a wasted donation?  My point is that according to stats on the appearances, over 1 MILLION people have witnessed her in person this year at the shows, weather permitting for Bournemouth it would probably have been double that.  Yes, Sean did a great job, as always, of explaining the money pit that our girl is, but that's not quite the same as telling everyone that of the £1-2M a year required, there was an incoming shortfall of £400K at the end of the season.  I wonder if he was even told, or if at that stage anyone really knew for sure?

It's just so frustrating to be back where we were a year ago, or more realistically, last Feb.  While it would be tragic if 558 has to retire after such a brief spell back in the air, the people who it will really hurt are Taff, Sam and their crew, who I suspect will once again be preparing to get their notice.  That's hardly a just reward for all their effort and hospitality over the past year.

We cannot hope for another miracle.  The bequest that saved 558 in the spring was the only reason (IMHO) we even got to see her this year.  If this year has been the big push, then now we need the XXXXXL push.  The Blades auction is a good start, hopefully some publicity from that.  Perhaps in hindsight something like it could have been arranged where they were both due to appear, but then making something like this too frequent would reduce the appeal.

We need money, fast, without creating an air of doom and gloom about the prospects.  Anyone got any good ideas??   :?:
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on September 23, 2010, 12:35:40 PM
Well as I said earlier, we need to get '558 onto the television in some shape or form.  However, I believe this has to come from the Trust and not from hundreds of supporters bombarding them with the same old story.  Can we assume this has already been attempted and if not why not ?

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: upandaway on September 23, 2010, 12:39:09 PM
How about a parade through London with the large model Vulcan.  That would be sure to gain publicity.

Arthur
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: MrTim on September 23, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: "upandaway"
How about a parade through London with the large model Vulcan.  That would be sure to gain publicity.

Arthur
(http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/scratchhead.gif) Sounds familiar...  ;)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: 10680 on September 23, 2010, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: "upandaway"
Well as I said earlier, we need to get '558 onto the television in some shape or form.  However, I believe this has to come from the Trust and not from hundreds of supporters bombarding them with the same old story.  Can we assume this has already been attempted and if not why not ?

Arthur

What publicity will be got from Children In Need?

Can it be pushed as 'possibly the last chance' to fly with a Vulcan unless.... or it might just push up the price paid.
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: isibob on September 23, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: "10680"
Quote from: "upandaway"
Well as I said earlier, we need to get '558 onto the television in some shape or form.  However, I believe this has to come from the Trust and not from hundreds of supporters bombarding them with the same old story.  Can we assume this has already been attempted and if not why not ?

Arthur

What publicity will be got from Children In Need?

Can it be pushed as 'possibly the last chance' to fly with a Vulcan unless.... or it might just push up the price paid.

I have e-mailed BBC Midlands Today pointing out the benefits of sending a camera crew and reporter to the Coventry Fly-in, that XH558 will be landing for viewing and that incase they didn't know about the Children in Need Flight on 29th. Last but not least that the whole event is for Help the Heroes. Now I don't expect them to reply but we live in hope that they will turn up on the day. Fingers crossed :|
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: dee on September 23, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
Ive just e-mailed Eamonm Holmes on sky, ya never know he might get to see my e-mail :)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: wcg on September 23, 2010, 05:36:40 PM
WE'RE DOOMED......DOOMED , I SAY !!

Well......isn't that what the new Newsletter tells us to say ?? .......they've even employed a PR Company to say so !!

So...... being a "doom-monger" is good !! (http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/rotfl3.gif)
Title: Re: The big push?
Post by: speedy on September 23, 2010, 08:06:21 PM
That's enough, Frazer!