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Title: Final Flight
Post by: Robclo on October 27, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
Just read today's account of the terms of the final flight........SAD!!!!
If service veterans (XH558 qualifies) were making a farewell parade in Doncaster I'm sure the authorities would be only too pleased and the police would do just that....police the area and ensure safety?
After all.....it's (regretfully) not going to happen again!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: billybear on October 28, 2015, 12:57:53 AM
are we assuming that it will be Friday then for the fitting finale !!!! not happy  :(
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: brooklands280 on October 28, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
What was todays flight then? apparently a good display.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on October 29, 2015, 02:46:27 AM
Re: Final Flight

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Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Mayfly on October 29, 2015, 07:27:02 AM
What was todays flight then? apparently a good display.

No idea the video feed went down! From what I've read, because I have no interest in watching it in retrospect at this point, it was just a few circuits and brake chute on landing.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Prometheus on October 29, 2015, 07:31:32 AM
There was also a nice touch and go thrown in ☺
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: billybear on October 30, 2015, 12:40:08 AM
pity not many of us got to see it !!! it just seems such a sad and wrong way to end her flying days , I know not everyone would get to see the final flight but the whole episode just sucks and seems to have had  little thought for the genuine supporters , I know that there were concerns about safety etc  but to me , and I may have got this totally wrong , the whole thing has been badly planned and in a couple of years time how many people will be visiting her ?? no doubt many of you wont agree with what ive said but I just feel very let down and yes you may think iam not happy that I didn't get to see the final flight but I bet iam not the only one !! :(
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on October 30, 2015, 04:01:06 AM
pity not many of us got to see it !!! it just seems such a sad and wrong way to end her flying days , I know not everyone would get to see the final flight but the whole episode just sucks and seems to have had  little thought for the genuine supporters , I know that there were concerns about safety etc  but to me , and I may have got this totally wrong , the whole thing has been badly planned and in a couple of years time how many people will be visiting her ?? no doubt many of you wont agree with what ive said but I just feel very let down and yes you may think iam not happy that I didn't get to see the final flight but I bet iam not the only one !! :(

As much as I would have loved to, I wouldn't have got up to see the final flight even if it had been well publicised but I can sympathise very much with those who would have wished to do so. I agree with a great deal of what you say. This final flight has a sordid feel to it. The great Martin Withers described this last flight as being "like a funeral". This engineering college or whatever they're planning is a nonsense, VULCAN is to inspire tomorrows engineers? OK VULCAN is inspirational but it's obsolete technology and students could easily visit an aircraft museum.

My personal view is that this magnificent beast is to enter the most shameful part of its history, that of a cobweb-clad cash-cow. None of the shame reflecting on XH558.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Sarah Abbott on October 30, 2015, 05:14:38 AM
There have been apprentices working on another airframe for some time at Doncaster. I can't remember exactly what but I am sure PA28 will know. They will not be training just on 558.  They are already 2 similar Aviation academies up and running in the UK.  These teach a variety of aviation related skills not just engineering.

The plan which is on the website is for the engineering team to take on other projects and outside work which will involve training as well and is well underway having being worked on for sometime.  There has been a massive amount of background work been going on for the last couple of years which we will now see developing.  It is a shame people are so negative without giving it a chance.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Mayfly on October 30, 2015, 07:37:04 AM
  It is a shame people are so negative without giving it a chance.

Sarah I think in fairness you know more than most being connected via the club committee. All I can easily find on this website about the future is this  ..  http://www.vulcantothesky.org/history/post-flight.html

and that doesn't say a lot. I know there have been various mentions in the newsletter but at 2 a week they soon get lost in the mass.
With 558 now grounded I would hope this item will become more prominent on the website.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: djrose007 on October 30, 2015, 08:29:10 AM
pity not many of us got to see it !!! it just seems such a sad and wrong way to end her flying days , I know not everyone would get to see the final flight but the whole episode just sucks and seems to have had  little thought for the genuine supporters , I know that there were concerns about safety etc  but to me , and I may have got this totally wrong , the whole thing has been badly planned and in a couple of years time how many people will be visiting her ?? no doubt many of you wont agree with what ive said but I just feel very let down and yes you may think iam not happy that I didn't get to see the final flight but I bet iam not the only one !! :(

As much as I would have loved to, I wouldn't have got up to see the final flight even if it had been well publicised but I can sympathise very much with those who would have wished to do so. I agree with a great deal of what you say. This final flight has a sordid feel to it. The great Martin Withers described this last flight as being "like a funeral". This engineering college or whatever they're planning is a nonsense, VULCAN is to inspire tomorrows engineers? OK VULCAN is inspirational but it's obsolete technology and students could easily visit an aircraft museum.

My personal view is that this magnificent beast is to enter the most shameful part of its history, that of a cobweb-clad cash-cow. None of the shame reflecting on XH558.

I don't think she will be 'Cobweb Clad', she'll be maintained and kept pristine. What the trust did was save her from being covered in cobwebs at Bruntingthorpe and got her into the sky for 8 years, quite an achievement when she was going to the scrapyard before the Walton family saved her and subsequently the trust.
It's very sad that she's not flying and all the negative talk about her last short flight negates the huge achievement of the North and South tour weekend.
Personally I'm fed up with reading such comments and will now disappear from the forum but continue to get the newsletters etc.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: MARKSIX on October 30, 2015, 08:50:18 AM
agree David . So many negative comments . Have to appreciate the effort was all about the farewell tour and all that involved . Sure now that has been done the next phase will have equally as much effort put into it and we will all be informed
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Sarah Abbott on October 30, 2015, 10:45:42 AM
Mayfly I do agree it is time to pull info together as most of it has come through weekly emails and they do get lost nor should we need to refer back to them. I am sure there is an article on the academy somewhere but I don't know how far back. It should be in one easy to access area and the FAQs updated.

Hopefully this will be coming shortly now final flight is done and dusted.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Mayfly on October 30, 2015, 10:53:01 AM
The message certainly isn't out there. A lot of people still think it's all about taxi runs and hangar visits and they are what the Trust are depending for funding.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Rick Steer on October 30, 2015, 11:30:04 AM
My view is that it is a  pity there are so many negative comments, but you need to step back and ask why they are being made. Do not confuse the gratitude for the last 8 years with the frustration about the last flight.....

I'm absolutely gutted that, having supported her since the first days of the trust, with a not insignificant number of donations each year, there was no provision for her supporters at her final flight. This should have been a massive gathering, rather than the few who were there on the day.

Let me try to explain the depth of people's feelings by using Martin's analogy about it being like a funeral. Imagine being told that, having paid for some of the care costs over the last 8 years for your (now recently departed) relative, you are told to stay away from the funeral....but you can watch it on TV.....if only the TV feed hadn't crashed just at the most poignant moment of the entire day. To many of us humble members, it is unacceptable.

I understand the arguments about security, but its not like Robin Hood is on a par with Heathrow is it? Given enough good will on all sides, with early planning, this could have been so much better - after all this was the final ever flight of a national icon supported and loved by thousands - it's never going to happen again. But apparently our selected final resting place are more worried about their financials than supporting this unique event for a couple of hours.  If Robin Hood & the local police are that uncooperative at the start of her ground based life, one wonders how long it will be before notice is served for VTTS to leave the airport completely. With an airframe that cannot fly that is only going to end one way - with her being scrapped.

As an example of what could be done, look at the provision BA made at Heathrow when Concorde last flew in - temporary seating on the perimeter, catering, extra security in place etc, etc....I was there, it was emotional, but we were all grateful to witness it first hand.

I have to agree with others that the whole last flight episode has left a bad taste in the mouth, and actually this is what people will remember rather than the 8 glorious years we achieved.....which is a great pity.

None of us are ungrateful - after all we have partly funded the last 8 years and it's been fabulous, but in my opinion the trust have fallen woefully short at the very last hurdle.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Sarah Abbott on October 30, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
I am sorry Rick but I do not see how the Trust have fallen short with final flight when it was not their decision. They were working within constraints imposed on them to avoid huge costs.  This comes from Shoreham, car fest and Hillsborough which has made authorities very jumpy having seen the huge crowds 558 drew in her final year. The 'duty of care' issue will have knock on effects and especially when it has come from inquiry involving this police force area it was always going to be an issue. It recommends duty of care is to people outside as well as inside an event and on the back on Shoreham really is an issue.

These constraints will not apply to fast taxis - many, many people only want to see her in the air and others will head for their closest aircraft (in my case 655).    The airport are fully supportive of future plans as has been stated in newsletters and in info PA28 provided on here. The problem is this info now needs to be clearly promoted to followers and quickly which is the point Mayfly raised. Info is scattered around or in old newsletters and articles but needs to be in one place to stop a mass exodus of support.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Rick Steer on October 30, 2015, 12:57:41 PM
Sarah, I completely agree regarding information - clear facts prevent the spread of rumours, mis-information and frustration.

I understand the constraints you describe, but since all of these requirements were put in place, I have attended several airshow's which have been completed successfully. That illustrates that you can work within the requirements if there is a will from all sides. In my opinion, where the trust has fallen short is in securing that goodwill of Robin Hood and the police services to secure a way for spectators to attend the last ever flight of XH558. With all of the negotiating skills that must have been accumulated over the past 8 years, it's deeply frustrating that a more satisfactory outcome could not have been achieved.....but at the end of the day it's been and gone now.

These are my views and opinions, I'm not going to get into an argument over it - I just wanted to put the other side of the discussion so you know how those of us who are not party to all of the work that goes on behind the scenes are feeling. We'll have to agree to differ....

Over and out....
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: PA28 on October 30, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
There is a postal mailing on all this with the printers.... Online is set to start next week, just ahead of its arrival and it looks like some very positive news in other areas might just be about to break.

I can say no more on the matter right now, but be assured your concerns 'on the bigger picture' are being addressed and the future looks bright (not orange), but Delta inspirational shaped and one or two other things .... and NO, NOT CONCORDE!!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Rick Steer on October 30, 2015, 03:11:39 PM
I can't wait...fingers crossed for some good news
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on October 30, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
I am sorry Rick but I do not see how the Trust have fallen short with final flight when it was not their decision. They were working within constraints imposed on them to avoid huge costs.  This comes from Shoreham, car fest and Hillsborough which has made authorities very jumpy having seen the huge crowds 558 drew in her final year. The 'duty of care' issue will have knock on effects and especially when it has come from inquiry involving this police force area it was always going to be an issue. It recommends duty of care is to people outside as well as inside an event and on the back on Shoreham really is an issue.

I'm afraid I feel the same as Rick and this line of his sums up why
'Let me try to explain the depth of people's feelings by using Martin's analogy about it being like a funeral. Imagine being told that, having paid for some of the care costs over the last 8 years for your (now recently departed) relative, you are told to stay away from the funeral....but you can watch it on TV.....if only the TV feed hadn't crashed just at the most poignant moment of the entire day. To many of us humble members, it is unacceptable. '

I stayed away but close to the tablet as all the hints were of a flight on Wednesday and I did want to see that final touchdown, I opted not to see it live as per the authorities and Trust's requests, foolishly confident that the promised live streaming would be an adequate compromise. So having chased over much of the country supporting and raising funds for the aircraft I did at least know i could see that final moment when the wheels regained contact with the ground for ever. To have that moment taken away because somebody failed a: to get a strong enough broadcasting set up to meet the demand - they must have been aware of the interest because of all the 'stay away' warnings, and b: endlessly ensured us paying supporters that we would see it live on screen with no issues, was the most disappointing moment of 2015 for me and I honestly do feel totally let down by the Trust, they made a strong promise of live streamingto persuade us to keep away and they failed.
Having seen videos of the landing since (and seeing it after the event is not the same, it's like watching the cup final when you know the result) there were enough camera crews around the airfield filming the event, why could they not have asked who had the best equipment to broadcast it live? Sadly I think it may have been because Planes TV offered the best opportunity for 'last flight' videos to sell afterwards to hopefully fill the coffers.
One last point, despite those numerous photographers / camera crews all over the airfield I saw very little in the media afterwards covering the final flight and somewhere I saw it was touted as a flight for the media. So what happened to all their material, I saw nothing on TV at all and even on the BEEB website all I saw was a bit of amateur footage from outside the airfield and a small piece about the flight. If the trust were planning to use the flight as a publicity tool then it was a rather weak one.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: PA28 on October 30, 2015, 04:00:17 PM

http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/Vulcan-s-final-flight-confirmed-15-minutes-long/story-28069409-detail/story.html

http://www.examiner.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/vulcan-xh558-farewell-tour-cold-10346895

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/last-airworthy-avro-vulcan-takes-10349455

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1224833/Vulcan-bomber-makes-final-flight-Doncaster-Airport.html

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/strike-bombers-northrop-to-build-us-latest-uk-veteran-takes-a-bow

http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/news/local/video-sad-farewell-to-the-vulcan-1-7541515

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/happy-landings-as-giant-of-the-skies-bows-out-34150575.html

http://home.bt.com/news/news-extra/the-last-flying-vulcan-bomber-has-taken-to-the-skies-for-a-poignant-final-flight-11364013439584

https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.gizmodo.in/science/Watch-the-Last-Flight-of-a-Legendary-British-Bomber-Plane/articleshow/49588714.cms&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTA5MjAzMjI5NDgwOTI1MzcyNzIcZmU5NjFkNzRiOGU3OGIyMTpjby51azplbjpHQg&usg=AFQjCNG0Sf2_RSQm4sRhlHi9P7aRwfLrgQ

http://www.harboroughmail.co.uk/news/mail-news/harborough-woman-who-loved-this-beautiful-vulcan-1-7037978

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/11930957/Stunning-photographs-of-Vulcan-bomber-XH558-flying-over-Beachy-Head.html

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/last-vulcan-bomber-become-living-10309081

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-34652152

I could find more .....





Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on October 30, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
but Ian, some of those are hardly national / international household names (unless you live in Buxton) and some don't even relate to the last flight.
The only TV coverage I saw was a link from one of the BEEB's regional programmes posted via youtube, the news certainly didn't reach Essex as far as I can tell!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Prometheus on October 30, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
Avro 707 to the sky?  :P
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on October 30, 2015, 06:34:25 PM
agree David . So many negative comments . Have to appreciate the effort was all about the farewell tour and all that involved . Sure now that has been done the next phase will have equally as much effort put into it and we will all be informed

Getting XH558 back into flight - miraculous.
Farewell to Flight Season / Tour of the Nation - awesome.

Next phase - hardly a soul is going to care. Probably a fraction of 1% of those who would travel to displays are going to bother to visit XH558 in her mausoleum. 95% of VULCAN is in the flight.

I'm really surprised that people who are obviously VULCAN obsessives, (and I say that in the nicest possible way), don't get this.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Funtera on October 30, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
Having seen videos of the landing since (and seeing it after the event is not the same, it's like watching the cup final when you know the result) there were enough camera crews around the airfield filming the event, why could they not have asked who had the best equipment to broadcast it live? Sadly I think it may have been because Planes TV offered the best opportunity for 'last flight' videos to sell afterwards to hopefully fill the coffers.
And there's another slap to us from The Trust .. Supporters, Volunteers and People who've worked their butts off gaining support and funding for XH558 over the Past 8yrs of Flight .. Us Members, of whom some have Donated Thousands of Pounds of Hard earned Money to keep this Dream Flying .. Have to buy the DVD of the Final Flight to see and hear it all .. my 2p worth!!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: planenut on October 30, 2015, 09:11:48 PM
Next phase - hardly a soul is going to care. Probably a fraction of 1% of those who would travel to displays are going to bother to visit XH558 in her mausoleum. 95% of VULCAN is in the flight.

I'm really surprised that people who are obviously VULCAN obsessives, (and I say that in the nicest possible way), don't get this.

That's your opinion, everybody is entitled to their's. You cannot lambast people for keeping to their own, and not yours.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Tutorboy on October 30, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
Hi Folks, now it's all over bar the new life for 558 I thought it would be OK to join you.  I'm sorry for everyone who didn't get the chance to see the last flight.  I think the secrecy was necessary but just as unsatisfactory for the crew as for most other people.  It was a pleasure to fly her for one last time in front of a selection of our magnificent volunteers.  I hope you enjoy the edit of the Planes TV video.  In the end I just said thanks to the weather God for letting us do it.  Thanks on my part to each and everyone who supported the aircraft in any way over the last few years.  It was a real privilege to fly your aeroplane.

Regards

Bill Ramsey
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: planenut on October 30, 2015, 09:49:33 PM
A big thankyou to You Bill and the crews. the pleasure that it has generated is immense, though we were on the ground.

Let's see how the immediate future pans out and good luck to the Wooden Wonder.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Rover3500 on October 30, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
It was just bizarre  the secret final flight - how many 10,000's  of  people did the authorities expect to turn up on a weekday on a dreary winter day in October. While XH558 is hugely popular and has a huge following it is sadly  not as popular as   Manchester United. Totally over the top.

 I viewed the farewell to flight landing  from  Finningley....I managed to park my car, walk a short distance to a convenient viewing area (that had ample space) then drive home again in free flowing traffic.  There was no 'gridlock'. People on this occasion were allowed to  use their common sense and judgement.

To an observer like me it does seem to confirm that knee jerk risk aversion, not logic or reason is ruling the day.

I have said before that after modifications 2222,2429,2430 & 2221, XH558's airframe  was certified by AVRO  for many more hours of flight than the 346 hrs XH558 completed post restoration. Yet we keep being told that the trust would be 'flying into the unknown'.

Rolls Royce certified the Olympus for 2000 flying hours when they were overhauled..then inexplicably changed this to 1200 cycles that left the engines near their end of their working life after just a few hundred hours...

The live video was okay but not really something to tell the grandkids about....

(sitting  under dining table with saucepan on head)

Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on October 31, 2015, 11:11:28 AM
Hi Folks, now it's all over bar the new life for 558 I thought it would be OK to join you.  I'm sorry for everyone who didn't get the chance to see the last flight.  I think the secrecy was necessary but just as unsatisfactory for the crew as for most other people.  It was a pleasure to fly her for one last time in front of a selection of our magnificent volunteers.  I hope you enjoy the edit of the Planes TV video.  In the end I just said thanks to the weather God for letting us do it.  Thanks on my part to each and everyone who supported the aircraft in any way over the last few years.  It was a real privilege to fly your aeroplane.

Regards

Bill Ramsey

Hi Bill,

It's obviously the people closest to XH558, regardless of their personal views on termination of flight, who will feel the loss the most; the ground crew & flight crew.

I'd Echo Planenuts' thanks for everything.

On a personal note I'd just say thanks for all of the in-flight cockpit coverage you & your son have made available on Youtube over the past few years - gripping stuff!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: scampton61 on October 31, 2015, 12:03:39 PM
I have said before that after modifications 2222,2429,2430 & 2221, XH558's airframe  was certified by AVRO  for many more hours of flight than the 346 hrs XH558 completed post restoration. Yet we keep being told that the trust would be 'flying into the unknown'.

That's because it would have been 'into the unknown'. Doesn't matter how many theoretical hours Avro certified, that was a long, long time ago and the one thing the Fatigue Test Specimen couldn't simulate or predict was the effect of age and corrosion on the airframe. The end has been forced on us sooner that most would like, but I understand the reasoning.

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Rolls Royce certified the Olympus for 2000 flying hours when they were overhauled..then inexplicably changed this to 1200 cycles that left the engines near their end of their working life after just a few hundred hours...

Not inexplicable at all. 2,000 hours were certified in RAF service, when the engines would have been straight back on an aircraft after overhaul. 558's engines had been in storage for over 20 years, scarcely any wonder RR were cautious, over cautious maybe but again understandable.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Rover3500 on November 01, 2015, 09:11:02 PM

That's because it would have been 'into the unknown'. Doesn't matter how many theoretical hours Avro certified, that was a long, long time ago and the one thing the Fatigue Test Specimen couldn't simulate or predict was the effect of age and corrosion on the airframe. The end has been forced on us sooner that most would like, but I understand the reasoning.

But are we really  'going into the unknown' anymore than back in 2007 when XH558 had covered 8% more flying hours than any other Vulcan and had not flown for over 13 years?. It still remains unclear why the line has been drawn here after such a costly, comprehensive  and skilful restoration.

The advanced  'age' of the Vulcan  airframe seems to be a powerful and well used  argument  but I know of no mechanism by which age alone can have any effect on aircraft strength and durability . The CAA routinely accept FI limits set by fatigue test specimens  for many aircraft of advanced age - if ageing alone had any significant effect on safety, FI  limits would be revised down for age?.

Stress corrosion cracking is another matter and is of course age related. A combination  of factors  regarding susceptible  materials, operating environment and mechanical stress have to be met for it to be a concern . As far as I know, no detailed assessment of the likelihood of SCC occurring to XH558 has been made to justify the decision to end flight.

It's been reported that back in 2007 the  Vulcan was   'deskinned – the magnesium alloy panels removed – so that every vital part inside could be meticulously inspected. If it  was found that the  aircraft’s main spars – the skeleton of the airframe – had proven to be cracked or badly corroded, all this work would have been in vain. Thankfully, only a very small section of one spar was found to be affected. That tiny part was carefully removed'.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151023-how-the-cold-war-vulcan-bomber-flew-again

It's hard to envisage that after just 346 hrs of fair weather flight  with careful storage and maintenance , the airframe has lapsed from  into unsafe territory because of corrosion.

Not inexplicable at all. 2,000 hours were certified in RAF service, when the engines would have been straight back on an aircraft after overhaul. 558's engines had been in storage for over 20 years, scarcely any wonder RR were cautious, over cautious maybe but again understandable.
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I can only comment on the information in the public domain but I understand the engines were correctly stored with silica gel bags etc. so it seems hard to understand the rationale on this. I know of no mechanism whereby steel and titanium alloys can degrade in a  reasonably warm and dry environment.
I understand that the engines were inspected   and found to be free from significant corrosion which would seem to confirm that good storage practices had been adhered to.



Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: PA28 on November 02, 2015, 10:05:22 AM
A post especially for Andy.

XH558 will be able to be seen in HD throughout the country, tonight, 7.30pm BBC1 HD - (HD ONLY)

It is a regional 'Inside-Out' programme, but the regions take it in turn to broadcast on the HD channel.  This is the Leeds based 'Look North' team who have been really supportive.

(Wonder how that all got organised..... ?????  ;-)

We will be posting across social media later to advise supporters and I'm sure viewing figures (and exposure of XH558) will be healthier as a result!
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: StAthan lecky on November 02, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
A post especially for Andy.

XH558 will be able to be seen in HD throughout the country, tonight, 7.30pm BBC1 HD - (HD ONLY)

It is a regional 'Inside-Out' programme, but the regions take it in turn to broadcast on the HD channel.  This is the Leeds based 'Look North' team who have been really supportive.

(Wonder how that all got organised..... ?????  ;-)

We will be posting across social media later to advise supporters and I'm sure viewing figures (and exposure of XH558) will be healthier as a result!

No doubt by you Ian,but to be fair it is your job  !
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: MrTim on November 02, 2015, 04:40:01 PM
I thought you'd left us Mike ;) ;D :o
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: planenut on November 02, 2015, 05:09:17 PM

No doubt by you Ian,but to be fair it is your job  !

Seems like you are only being fair to yourself with that sort of remark.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: hairrig on November 02, 2015, 05:57:00 PM

http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/Vulcan-s-final-flight-confirmed-15-minutes-long/story-28069409-detail/story.html

http://www.examiner.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/vulcan-xh558-farewell-tour-cold-10346895

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/last-airworthy-avro-vulcan-takes-10349455

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1224833/Vulcan-bomber-makes-final-flight-Doncaster-Airport.html

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/strike-bombers-northrop-to-build-us-latest-uk-veteran-takes-a-bow

http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/news/local/video-sad-farewell-to-the-vulcan-1-7541515

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/happy-landings-as-giant-of-the-skies-bows-out-34150575.html

http://home.bt.com/news/news-extra/the-last-flying-vulcan-bomber-has-taken-to-the-skies-for-a-poignant-final-flight-11364013439584

https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.gizmodo.in/science/Watch-the-Last-Flight-of-a-Legendary-British-Bomber-Plane/articleshow/49588714.cms&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoTNTA5MjAzMjI5NDgwOTI1MzcyNzIcZmU5NjFkNzRiOGU3OGIyMTpjby51azplbjpHQg&usg=AFQjCNG0Sf2_RSQm4sRhlHi9P7aRwfLrgQ

http://www.harboroughmail.co.uk/news/mail-news/harborough-woman-who-loved-this-beautiful-vulcan-1-7037978

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/11930957/Stunning-photographs-of-Vulcan-bomber-XH558-flying-over-Beachy-Head.html

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/last-vulcan-bomber-become-living-10309081

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-34652152

I could find more .....

Sad picture on the home.bt.com page with the caption "As Vulcan-lovers gathered on a nearby vantage point".

Hope people don't get the wrong impression of the Vulcan Effect from that!

Wonder what a similar view will be like on the 11th and 12th with the well in advance notice of the AN225 arrival and departure?
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 03, 2015, 08:45:11 AM
A post especially for Andy.

XH558 will be able to be seen in HD throughout the country, tonight, 7.30pm BBC1 HD - (HD ONLY)

It is a regional 'Inside-Out' programme, but the regions take it in turn to broadcast on the HD channel.  This is the Leeds based 'Look North' team who have been really supportive.

(Wonder how that all got organised..... ?????  ;-)

We will be posting across social media later to advise supporters and I'm sure viewing figures (and exposure of XH558) will be healthier as a result!

thanks Ian, didn't see this yesterday so I've missed it but will search i.players later to see if it's available.


Andy (hairrig) - re the An.225 - as you know I'm planning to go next Wednesday from Essex with an overnight stay for the departure next day as I haven't seen in since 1990 so there may be quite a bit of interest from like minded people although it has been to East Midlands and Manchester over the last year or two so it does drop into the UK from time to time. LR weather forecast looks reasonable at present so fingers crossed. (thanks for info re hotel BTW).
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: dee on November 03, 2015, 01:40:05 PM
A post especially for Andy.

XH558 will be able to be seen in HD throughout the country, tonight, 7.30pm BBC1 HD - (HD ONLY)

It is a regional 'Inside-Out' programme, but the regions take it in turn to broadcast on the HD channel.  This is the Leeds based 'Look North' team who have been really supportive.

(Wonder how that all got organised..... ?????  ;-)

We will be posting across social media later to advise supporters and I'm sure viewing figures (and exposure of XH558) will be healthier as a result!

thanks Ian, didn't see this yesterday so I've missed it but will search i.players later to see if it's available.


Andy (hairrig) - re the An.225 - as you know I'm planning to go next Wednesday from Essex with an overnight stay for the departure next day as I haven't seen in since 1990 so there may be quite a bit of interest from like minded people although it has been to East Midlands and Manchester over the last year or two so it does drop into the UK from time to time. LR weather forecast looks reasonable at present so fingers crossed. (thanks for info re hotel BTW).

Can recommend the Ramada Andy
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on November 03, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Re. An.225

Do you think they used Howard Hughes as their conceptual & design consultant?

(http://i.imgur.com/LcdHrxN.png)
#SprooseGooski
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: PaulH2015 on November 03, 2015, 03:13:29 PM

XH558 will be able to be seen in HD throughout the country, tonight, 7.30pm BBC1 HD - (HD ONLY)

It is a regional 'Inside-Out' programme, but the regions take it in turn to broadcast on the HD channel.  This is the Leeds based 'Look North' team who have been really supportive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=hTTh0WT3ZHM
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 03, 2015, 04:58:24 PM
Re. An.225

Do you think they used Howard Hughes as their conceptual & design consultant?

(http://i.imgur.com/LcdHrxN.png)
#SprooseGooski

i wonder - lovely beast isn't it, looks far better than the An124 with those twin tails
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on November 03, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
i wonder - lovely beast isn't it, looks far better than the An124 with those twin tails

Certainly impressive, although lovely isn't the first thought to enter my head.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Vulcanatic on November 03, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
There is a postal mailing on all this with the printers.... Online is set to start next week, just ahead of its arrival and it looks like some very positive news in other areas might just be about to break.

I can say no more on the matter right now, but be assured your concerns 'on the bigger picture' are being addressed and the future looks bright (not orange), but Delta inspirational shaped and one or two other things .... and NO, NOT CONCORDE!!

"Delta inspirational shaped" - so is that Delta or Delta-esque?

We know it's not going to be XH558, XL426 or XM655 as, even if a hugely expensive airframe restoration were carried out, there aren't any Olympus about with any life left in them and just sorting that small fact out would cost £100M+.

If it is Delta rather than Delta-esque, my money would be on Mirage or Javelin.
Either would be good although my preference would be with Javelin.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: hairrig on November 03, 2015, 09:53:55 PM

Andy (hairrig) - re the An.225 - as you know I'm planning to go next Wednesday from Essex with an overnight stay for the departure next day as I haven't seen in since 1990 so there may be quite a bit of interest from like minded people although it has been to East Midlands and Manchester over the last year or two so it does drop into the UK from time to time. LR weather forecast looks reasonable at present so fingers crossed. (thanks for info re hotel BTW).

Hope the airport doesn't go into lockdown if too many people turn up >:D
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: arnk on November 03, 2015, 09:57:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-34712344 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-34712344)

Looks fine to me!

Al
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 04, 2015, 09:13:32 AM
Can recommend the Ramada Andy

thanks Dee
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 04, 2015, 09:14:34 AM

Andy (hairrig) - re the An.225 - as you know I'm planning to go next Wednesday from Essex with an overnight stay for the departure next day as I haven't seen in since 1990 so there may be quite a bit of interest from like minded people although it has been to East Midlands and Manchester over the last year or two so it does drop into the UK from time to time. LR weather forecast looks reasonable at present so fingers crossed. (thanks for info re hotel BTW).

Hope the airport doesn't go into lockdown if too many people turn up >:D

so do I - who would pick up the tab if it did? ;)
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Ollie Impus on November 04, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Sorry if I have missed the detail but where's the An 225 coming into next week?
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 04, 2015, 12:30:19 PM
Sorry if I have missed the detail but where's the An 225 coming into next week?

Hi Ollie - Doncaster next Wednesday and departing Thursday, last times I saw were arriving about 13.30 and departing 12.00 fro memory

here's a link which might or might not help depending how much you can see on their forum but it was on the top page of the dsaf page: http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=23785. The guy who posted it on CA has updated once or twice so pretty accurate
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: The gobfather on November 04, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Go there at your peril, the security will take a picture of your car and fine you and you have no way out, they will accuse you of parking, even though you are still inside your vehicle searching for directions, usually with the aid of the map that is available on the website, you have no way out when they do this, so do not go there, unless you want a reaming by the security holes.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: dee on November 04, 2015, 04:57:29 PM
Do not go to Donny!!! O:-) O:-) ::)
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: sickbag_andy on November 04, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
Go there at your peril, the security will take a picture of your car and fine you and you have no way out, they will accuse you of parking, even though you are still inside your vehicle searching for directions, usually with the aid of the map that is available on the website, you have no way out when they do this, so do not go there, unless you want a reaming by the security holes.

are you being serious or is this just a rather alarmist way of introducing yourself with a first post?
Ihave heard that parking on the roads is not permitted (they all appear to be double yellowed by looking at google streetmap, but hte OBR mound has been used for years with no such reports so I am somewhat surprised by your comments/warnings whichever is the more appropriate term.

andy
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Lincoln on November 04, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
Go there at your peril, the security will take a picture of your car and fine you and you have no way out, they will accuse you of parking, even though you are still inside your vehicle searching for directions, usually with the aid of the map that is available on the website, you have no way out when they do this, so do not go there, unless you want a reaming by the security holes.

are you being serious or is this just a rather alarmist way of introducing yourself with a first post?
Ihave heard that parking on the roads is not permitted (they all appear to be double yellowed by looking at google streetmap, but hte OBR mound has been used for years with no such reports so I am somewhat surprised by your comments/warnings whichever is the more appropriate term.

andy


I can only assume he means the actual airport car park??
As I'm that one saddo who sits there in the dark in the middle of January for one Wizzair; I've never had any problems along either ends of OBR or indeed the road under the 02 end and I was doing that long before the Vulcan arrived lol  ;D.
Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: hairrig on November 05, 2015, 01:55:09 PM
Go there at your peril, the security will take a picture of your car and fine you and you have no way out, they will accuse you of parking, even though you are still inside your vehicle searching for directions, usually with the aid of the map that is available on the website, you have no way out when they do this, so do not go there, unless you want a reaming by the security holes.

are you being serious or is this just a rather alarmist way of introducing yourself with a first post?
Ihave heard that parking on the roads is not permitted (they all appear to be double yellowed by looking at google streetmap, but hte OBR mound has been used for years with no such reports so I am somewhat surprised by your comments/warnings whichever is the more appropriate term.

andy


I can only assume he means the actual airport car park??
As I'm that one saddo who sits there in the dark in the middle of January for one Wizzair; I've never had any problems along either ends of OBR or indeed the road under the 02 end and I was doing that long before the Vulcan arrived lol  ;D.

No it appears to be all the roads on the terminal side. They are private roads and a mobile 'road safety' van patrols them and photographs anyone that stops. A similar scheme to many parking cowboy firms such as parking eye.

There  are reports of £100 fines for just stopping to read a map!

There are signs all over the place but you would have to stop to read the small print and risk getting fined!!

Welcome to Doncaster!



Title: Re: Final Flight
Post by: Lincoln on November 05, 2015, 05:46:14 PM
That's where I mean, over that side of the airfield.