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Title: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: sherwoc on April 30, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
I have heard rumours of the trust acquiring Canberra WK163 form Coventry for a nominal fee and putting it back together before flying it out to Finningley.
Any comments
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PhillyJ on May 06, 2016, 03:17:22 PM
Well I guess not then, where did you hear the rumours?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: speedy on May 19, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
Now official!
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: planenut on May 19, 2016, 09:01:02 PM
Well it's got two engines, therefore I suppose more reliable than a Harrier. It's just a pity that it's not going to have the GP appeal that the Vulcan had.

Now we have to hope that when it comes to flying, she will be permitted to display, rather than fly by!
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: JeremyC on May 20, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
If you want four engines how about the DC6 that now sadly doing duty as a cafe.

Nice potential for fare paying jaunts too (Dr. P. always said they were effectively running an airline, just no passengers).
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: vulcanlover on May 20, 2016, 02:47:32 PM
I think it's great news about the Canberra.

I'm sure that there's a valid reason, but why this Airframe as opposed to the PR9 that was recently restored?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: planenut on May 20, 2016, 09:03:05 PM
If you want four engines how about the DC6 that now sadly doing duty as a cafe.

Nice potential for fare paying jaunts too (Dr. P. always said they were effectively running an airline, just no passengers).

Perhaps a little too far removed from "something British!"
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on May 21, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
I'm sure that there's a valid reason, but why this Airframe as opposed to the PR9 that was recently restored?

My thoughts too, if you mean XH134 which was flying in 2014.  AFAIK it is airworthy apart from a revalidation service.  Was it sold at Bonhams in March?  The story is confused, but apparently it didn't quite meet its reserve.  Can't believe it was so cheap at £50k, tempted ...

My first thought was that TVOC bought the other one as it was cheaper, less likely now.  More likely is its history.

Running costs of classic aircraft compared to classic cars is what depresses the price of the former, for the latter you don't even need to pay for road tax (pre-76) or have an MOT (pre-60).
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: vulcanlover on May 21, 2016, 07:39:12 PM
Like I say, I'm sure there's a valid reason for chosing this one above the PR9.

In fact, I applaud the restoration of another Canberra.

I'm sure that the trust would actively support any future owner of the PR9.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: planenut on May 22, 2016, 10:00:07 AM
It's on the BBC site today, with Andrew introducing the project.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36352330 
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: Sad Sam on May 23, 2016, 05:08:10 PM
Nice try by the BBC.

Well at least they got the bit about the altitude record correct!

How hard can it be to proof read this stuff before they print/publish it?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on May 24, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
Like I say, I'm sure there's a valid reason for chosing this one above the PR9.


And like I said, because of its history.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: CLIFFORD on May 25, 2016, 02:23:46 PM
I have just read in a book that the Canberra has a wooden tail? is this correct.
I worked on Canberras as an air electrician in 1956 and never knew this.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on May 26, 2016, 03:51:26 PM
I have just read in a book that the Canberra has a wooden tail? is this correct.
I worked on Canberras as an air electrician in 1956 and never knew this.

Try Googling 'Canberra wooden tail' ...
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: CLIFFORD on June 20, 2016, 02:58:06 PM
IN this months JETS (July August) there is a small article called Farnborough 56, about WK163 ON PAGE 51.
also on page 53 is a list of all aircraft taking part, every airplane British.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: Sad Sam on July 16, 2016, 12:01:23 AM
Bump?

Or could it be that none of you are that interested?

I'm quite looking forward to getting stuck in with 163.  Today was the culmination of six months of work, not the result I expected, but a result nevertheless!  It's going to be interesting but by early 2018 we will doing flight servicings again  ;D

Sure she is enjoying her first night under cover in a long time and she and 558 are swapping tales of derring-do together.

It's nice to think 558 now has some appropriate company, I do hope they will become firm friends.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: dee on July 16, 2016, 08:22:13 AM
No scrubbing required yet i assume? Steve will no doubt be slapping some new paint on..Do we have any idea what colour  shes going to be ?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: Sad Sam on July 16, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
She could do with a wash and scrub up, she's been sat outside for a long time!

Steve will be putting some new paint on her at some point (after 30 years of paint have been removed)  No idea on the new scheme yet.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: planenut on July 16, 2016, 10:00:40 PM
I hope that you all enjoy the project Sam, and I look forward to seeing her in the air again.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: MrTim on July 21, 2016, 12:21:44 PM
Regarding 163's engines - how many do we have, what's their condition, and what's their expected lifespan?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on July 21, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Vulcan engines available, that should make it shift ...
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: ian livingstone on July 22, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
I'm still watching and supporting, and wouldn't mind getting up close and personal to do a bit of polishing when the time arrives - work permitting  :)
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: jakspeed on October 21, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
Is it me being stoopid or has the Canberra disappeared off the face of the earth????

No mention of it in the newsletter and the shares are nowhere to be seen.........

Seems a bit odd or have I just imbibed too much Russian liquor and it's addled my brain?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on October 24, 2016, 08:31:40 AM
Shares closed at the beginning of this month.  Since then the focus has been on the last flights of XH558, which seems fair enough.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: ascot5046 on October 28, 2016, 09:28:36 PM
I think that the Canberra project has hit the buffers big time.  It's not really surprising as it will never have the same appeal and drive that restoring XH556 got from the public.

The newsletter update paints even a more dire view of where VTST is going. Support is waning and no matter how much they tug on our heartstrings about today being the anniversary of 558's final flight, many of us still feel that the secrecy surrounding the last sortie leaves a sour taste in the mouths of so many who gave as much as they could to keep the jet where she belonged.

Nothing has been said about how the 30% cutbacks in the Trust will affect the engineering team but their future must be in the balance, a shame for the sterling work they continue to put in.

I was always amazed that VTST would use the same business model for Canberra because the majority of 558's loyal fan base don't have the same financial support for yet another "To The Skies".  Maybe the trust should have engaged with getting the Lancaster NX611 back to flight?  I would have supported that.






Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on October 29, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Similar sentiments here, although I can't agree with the 'sour taste' of the final flight, it was always blindingly obvious that to publicise it would have caused mayhem around Doncaster airport.

My wife was passionate about 558, but even having seen a Canberra fly she just wasn't interested, and several times has said they would do better to get another Lancaster back in the air.  I could see the attraction of WK163 from its historic perspective and it being a 2-seater, but support to achieve the same as for 558 was really never really going to happen.

The third video in the email newsletter is mainly an edit of the final year of flying and glorious, the final of the trial fast taxy (taxi if you wish) just emphasises what we have lost.  There may well be more interest when she does public fast taxys next year, but unless they block off 'Dogger's Lane' I can't see them making much money out of it.  The mound gives a far better view than any viewing point on the airfield will, and all future public events are really only likely to attract useful numbers of people from a relatively small geographical area.

And speaking of 'finals', with the fall-out from Shoreham will we even see a Vampire, Venom and Sea Vixen fly together again?
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: leslie on January 05, 2017, 05:52:59 PM
What's the progress with WK163?the Trust seemed to have dropped all communication about her since she's been moved out
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on January 06, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
What's the progress with WK163?the Trust seemed to have dropped all communication about her since she's been moved out

Moved out?

My daughter has seen somewhere that the Trust have dropped the share certificates for WK163, and people who have bought them are moaning and want their money back.  I can't find any reference to that, but then I can't find any reference to them at all, and it took some effort to find links to any WK163 page.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: Sad Sam on January 08, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
WK 163 has been moved down to hangar 1.

She is considerably better off than she was at Coventry where she was left outside for three years or so...

The money donated for the major has been ring fenced so can not be used for any other projects (tell me about it as no-one seems very excited about donating to a build a plane project...)

It would be good if you could post a link to where people are "moaning they want their money back"  Once we start the major the money donated will be used to pay for the work as it is carried out.  So far we have moved the jet from Coventry to Doncaster along with about 30% of the spares, we have transcribed over 700 job cards and carried out a survey of the jet to see where we are.  It's not like we have sat around and done nothing.

Yes all reference to the Canberra has gone from the Vulcan web page.  There is meant to be a new site dedicated to the Canberra and that will happen once we have sorted out a whole shed load of other stuff, bear with us - we are a little bit busy at the moment....
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: PaulH2015 on January 13, 2017, 11:35:31 AM
It was a while ago, tricky to track it down again.  Seems odd to have removed all references before the new site was published though.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: Sad Sam on January 13, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Uh-huh.

If you enter "Canberra to the sky" on Google it still takes you back to all the stuff that was published last year.

As I understand it the trust was getting too many complaints from supporters who only wanted to support 558 - they did not like the way they thought the web site was being diluted by the Canberra articles.  So the decision was made to start a separate web site.

The trouble is that all these things take time, there are only so many hours in a day and we do have a lot of other stuff going on at the moment with the move from three hangar and still getting Canberra spares together.

The Canberra restoration will happen in the same way that the fast taxi's will happen and the build a plane will happen.  As soon as we can make them happen and when we get some money to pay for the work to happen...
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: steve w on January 13, 2017, 01:36:11 PM
Well said that man.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: CLIFFORD on January 13, 2017, 01:54:14 PM
Good Sam ;)
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: leslie on January 15, 2017, 03:44:52 PM
In fairness though, there was a lot of people willing to support 163, it would seem to me to generate support and warmth towards 163 is to keep her in the public eye, maybe not front page, but not reporting on her progress, no talk from the Trust, you cant even visit her in the hangar (appreciate the hangar is closing) isn't the way in my view to generate support.
Title: Re: New aircraft for the trust
Post by: sickbag_andy on September 14, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
WK 163 has been moved down to hangar 1.

She is considerably better off than she was at Coventry where she was left outside for three years or so...

The money donated for the major has been ring fenced so can not be used for any other projects (tell me about it as no-one seems very excited about donating to a build a plane project...)

It would be good if you could post a link to where people are "moaning they want their money back"  Once we start the major the money donated will be used to pay for the work as it is carried out.  So far we have moved the jet from Coventry to Doncaster along with about 30% of the spares, we have transcribed over 700 job cards and carried out a survey of the jet to see where we are.  It's not like we have sat around and done nothing.

Yes all reference to the Canberra has gone from the Vulcan web page.  There is meant to be a new site dedicated to the Canberra and that will happen once we have sorted out a whole shed load of other stuff, bear with us - we are a little bit busy at the moment....

so where is that ring fenced money now - assuming the 'major' hit the buffers big time when the contents of this and '558's neighbouring site hit the fan it must (well should) be sitting somewhere but the last accounts only show £60 ringfenced and that for 558.

Sorry Sam but you must wish you'd never written this in the above quote now: She is considerably better off than she was at Coventry where she was left outside for three years or so... hindsight and all that. will she now be outside at Doncaster and beat the 3 year Coventry record?

Perhaps re my suggestion of a museum named BITS, the B part should have been plural