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Ways To Raise Funding / Re: Funding the new hangar - how?
« on: September 24, 2017, 10:56:04 PM »
It reads like another 'Jam Tomorrow' spiel, or more specifically Jam in 2018 as long as you give us a barrowload of cash now.

I wonder if they've been deluged by offers of free labour by a new army of volunteers?  >:D

As far as moving XH558 if this was a better option, is there a low loader out there with the capability of carrying the Vulcan whole?
(Bridges & flyovers aside!)

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:36:12 PM »
.....and currently the sole purpose of the Trust's activities is to pay the salary of Trustee(s).

Just be clear, the Trustees are volunteers and are not paid a salary.

Fair comment, as someone who's never been directly involved with The Trust or any of the multitude of companies surrounding it I'm still confused by the many names and roles. I can see now that Pleming stood down as a Director of The Trust in 2009 but is still Company Secretary. Directorship presumably equating with being a Trustee. The principle's the same, it seems as if the Butler's selling off the family silver to pay the Butler?

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: September 08, 2017, 12:23:27 PM »
If anyone's interested, the most recent set of accounts have been posted on the Charity Commission website :

Edited to add....
From the accounts :
The Vulcan Operating Company Limited
The Vulcan Operating Company Limited is the subsidiary of the Trust responsible for engineering activities on the Trust's aircraft, and has employed the Trust's aircraft trade technicians, fitters and quality specialists.
It holds CAA approvals for maintenance and continuing airworthiness management, and has the potential for offering aircraft maintenance services to 3rd parties.

Given the redundancies, is this still correct ?

There is a charge over the aircraft in favour of the National Heritage Memorial Fund in the amount of £427,000 reducing on a straight line basis until 2085.

Vulcan to the Sky Enterprises Ltd (“VTSE”) is the wholly-owned retail trading subsidiary of VTST, and is managed by Andrew Edmondson as its lead Director. VTSE covenants its taxable profits to VTST under the Gift Aid scheme
The Vulcan Property Management Company Ltd (“VPMC”) was incorporated on 21 December 2015, and was set up to manage the tenant-occupied hangar space, offices and conference rooms available as the result of the Trust taking over the lease of Hangar 3 at DSA at the beginning of January 2016 from Directions Finningley CIC.
The Trust held the head lease for the 2016 calendar year, and sublet the space not required by the Trust to VPMC, which then licences space to a number of tenants.
Andrew Edmondson is the lead Director for VPMC.
VPMC now provides services to the current Lessee of Hangar 3.
The Vulcan Operating Company Ltd (“VOC”) has been in existence as a dormant company since 1999, but was changed to an active company in first quarter of 2016.
The VOC is the engineering arm of the Trust, and holds the approvals from the Civil Aviation Authority for servicing and airworthiness management for non-EASA aircraft.
Its goal is to generate profits from the sale of its services to other organisations in the business of restoring, conserving or operating heritage aircraft.
Its lead Director is Andrew Edmondson
The charity’s deficit for the year was £214,510 (2015: surplus £121,193).
Wages and salaries : £772,282
( under 'Purchases' ) Canberra : £51,826
Purchase invoices for business services have been received from Greenways Business Services amounting to £36,774 (2015: £17,402).
This is a partnership where Michael Trotter, director of Vulcan to the Sky Enterprises Limited, is a partner

If fraudulent statements are being made then this could, of course, ultimately become a Police matter.

There could be a formal complaint to the Charities Commission, effectively it appears as though the core assets of the Trust are being looted and currently the sole purpose of the Trust's activities is to pay the salary of Trustee(s).

Such a complaint should undoubtedly emanate from former volunteers and others closely associated with XH558 to be plausible. I should think this is the way to go.

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: September 08, 2017, 12:10:36 PM »
Seems to me that Sam would be a welcome addition to a group willing to engage the media about the state of things, unless he's had to sign the VTST version of the Official Secrets Act.

I don't think it's unreasonable to bring to public attention where things stand at this time, given the millions of squids they/we have given/raised.  The stated aim of the trust, post flying, is to preserve the aircraft for the people in a museum. Despite all the PR bluster, WHAT MUSEUM??????
The last thing I remember reading, it was going to be the centrepiece in a sort of Engineering College?

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: September 06, 2017, 12:43:17 AM »
BBC Midlands Today are always asking for viewers to write in with stories they feel may be of general public interest.  I did email the Mail but didn't get a bite.

Any one of us could do this, but maybe an Open Letter criticising the trust for failing to uphold their duty to provide a museum after her flying life is over for the public to have access.  Maybe Club ex Co-Chairs would be willing to stand in front of the cameras??

I'm about to cancel the Flying Fund Draw entry in favour of a more deserving charity which ends all my financial contributions to XH558, apart from Founding Guardian, which may as well follow suit.

Yes, it definitely needs to be someone who knows what they are talking about, is not publicity shy and who has a recognisable profile with XH558' history. There are bound to be opportunities, newspapers & TV channels have 'quiet news days' and keep stories which are not pressing in reserve for such times.

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: September 04, 2017, 08:04:25 PM »
I don't think the Trust has ever had many more than 8 Trustees at one time have they?
Perhaps not? I just glanced at 3 pages worth of Directors / former Directors and thought they must have needed a big board-room table at some point.

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: September 04, 2017, 06:09:22 PM »
I was just curious to see how many snouts are still in the VULCAN trough.

The Vulcan Trust now has only 8 Trustees;

The Trust's 2016-2017 financials should be published within the next few months which might make for interesting reading as it will show how much money has come in vs. the small amount we know is going out on actually looking after XH558.

Dr Pleming has live Directorships in the following;
* Vulcan to the Sky Trust
* Vulcan to the Sky Enterprises Ltd
* The Vulcan Operating Company Ltd
* The Vulcan Marketing Company Ltd
* The Vulcan Property Management Company Ltd
(And others seemingly not directly related).

Perhaps most of these companies are mainly dormant but I do wonder if the Trust is still making payments to them which are being picked up as 2nd, 3rd, 4th salaries?

I'd suspect just one big snout now in the VULCAN trough as well as a few piglets taking the occasional gulp.

Engineering / Re: Extraordinary General Meeting Needed?
« on: September 04, 2017, 05:21:09 PM »
And many many months further down the line ...

It seems to me that the Trust is secretive, exclusive, (and I don't mean that in a good way), as well as totally unaccountable.
Has anything positive been achieved for XH558?
Are the VULCAN cash-cow milkers still looking after their own interests?

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: September 04, 2017, 05:02:26 PM »
I haven't checked in on this forum for a while and I'm quite dismayed to learn that XH558 is apparently left out in the elements?
Yes the VULCAN cash-cow milkers on the Trust should hang their heads in shame but they are all probably hard-nosed businessmen who are incapable of feeling that particular emotion.

I don't know about America, I think any stable country would do as long as the rules on flying such an aircraft aren't as draconian as the UK's and XH558 would be properly stored, properly maintained and crewed by appropriately experienced aviators. Let's face it, most of us are never going to travel abroad to see her fly but it opens up the 'VULCAN In Flight' experience to a whole new audience.

I imagine there must be contractual clauses in place to prevent this aircraft being sold by the Trust outside the UK due to the amount of public monies invested so it would, basically, need the Trust to fold. Any unpaid debtors would theoretically have a chance to take possession of the plane when this occurs.

I'm assuming the Trust has given up on milking a scrap Canberra as well as XH558?

Is there anyone with a high media profile / press contacts who still posts on here? I'm guessing the press might take an interest if approached? What about Martin Withers?

Aviation Waffle / Re: 5th March 1936
« on: March 14, 2016, 11:46:23 AM »
Amazing pilot!

Aviation Waffle / Re: Eric 'Winkle' Brown takes his last flight
« on: March 14, 2016, 11:40:08 AM »
There's also a Radio 2 interview from 2014, it seems that he was also instrumental in helping unmask Himmler when he was on the run;

Aviation Waffle / Parliamentary Petition against CAA changes to charges
« on: February 25, 2016, 04:09:42 AM »
Parliamentary Petition against CAA changes to charges;

I'd suggest after signing you forward the link to everyone you know, ask them to do the same, etc.

In today's news;
Police are now investigating reports that Andy Hill was flying dangerously low a year earlier.

Book / Film / TV Reviews / Re: Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown Story
« on: January 15, 2016, 12:53:23 PM »
That's great I'd wanted to send this programme to my Father after watching it some time ago but couldn't find it online anywhere. What a remarkable man & a remarkable career!

Engineering / Re: Can she fly again....... yes according to this chap......
« on: December 22, 2015, 01:50:29 AM »
The latest update from the Air Accident Investigation regarding the Shoreham Hawker Hunter crash has released an interim statement giving seven recommendations regarding vintage military jets so XH558 did retire at the right time!

Well spotted, the download is here;

As pointed out, these are preliminary recommendations but this certainly would not have made life any easier for those tasked with keeping XH558 flying!

The recommendations perhaps hint at why the Pilot didn't eject? (Ejector mechanism cartridges were out of date so perhaps he tried to eject but was unable?)

Confusion appears to permeate many aspects of this plane's recent history, servicing, certification, etc. In particular there seems to be confusion about whether the Hunter was in fact 'legal' to fly.

I'm guessing there will be lots of interesting revelations to come in 2016.

I sense the impending sound of a few posteriors being kicked.

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