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Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: May 28, 2018, 01:27:05 AM »
That would be for Taff, Sam & any of the others to decide, given that the accusation was aimed at them.

I don't think anyone is accusing me of leaving anything in the intakes.

VTTS will never give any information out on the silica incident as it was covered up as the person who removed them (or not) shouldn't have been anywhere near the aircraft while preparing for a sortie. Needless to say they remained employed by the trust but in a "IT" role. The engineers got the blame who we're not even on-site due to being stuck in traffic.

The statement is not quite true as we were not stuck in traffic, we were still travelling into work.  I received a phone call the previous evening telling me the "crew in" time had been moved forward. I was in Southampton at the time and said there was no way I could get to Doncaster in time for an 08:00 start (and then safely work a full day)  I offered to leave straight away if the trust would cover the extra nights accommodation.  This was turned down on the grounds of expense.  To save more money my journey to work included picking up Mouse and Mark Brown, which added further delay to the journey.

The person who made the call told me that "it's ok we can cover it" - I thought they meant the guys who lived in Lincolnshire would cover the pre-flight service but when we eventually arrived Ray Watts was not there as he had a hospital appointment.

While we were driving up the motorway we had a phone call from a member of the management team asking why we had not gone to Hinckley to pick up the trust Land Rover which would have saved more money (and added another 30 - 40 minutes onto the journey)

I think we eventually arrived about 10 minutes before "crew in"  I was informed that all of the servicing was complete.  I had a quick look around the aircraft, topped up one of the Nitrogen systems and signed for the airframe element of the service.  The crew arrived and the rest is history.

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: April 14, 2018, 12:52:38 AM »
Seen in today's Newsletter.
Last Sunday, Taff and our team of volunteer "groundcrew" brought XH558’s systems back to life in the final phase of winter maintenance ahead of completing full engine ground-running checks. All was reported to be well, including the recently serviced AAPP reported on last week. The day acted as a refresher course, ready for the "groundcrew" and tour guide volunteers to begin public access tours with XH558 from next month.
Look out for news on the first public engine ground-run date, with full booking details in a newsletter very soon.

To quote Bob Geldoff "Give us your money"

Come on folks cough up - those pension plans are not going to top themselves up....

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: April 01, 2018, 06:21:18 PM »
So the winter service is complete and the only job that needs to be done is the replacement of the AAPP starter motor...

Despite the fact there is (or was) a serviceable AAPP in the stores the decision is made to drop the dog out of the box and change the starter motor in situ in service this would be done without dropping the dog - but obviously that was too hard for the volunteers.  If you've dropped the dog - you may a well replace it.

We have (or had - unless Bob has sold it) a proper stand for the dog but the "volunteer engineers" decided to drop the unit onto the top of a wooden step on a safety raiser and work on it there...

Nice to see the "engineers" have found the adjustable spanners in the tool box (I wonder what happened to all the real spanners) - what a great inspiration to the next generation of engineers and aviators.

And finally the paperwork which has been used - where have they found that piece of waste paper?  There are boxes of books in Delta Court - there were even books in the van, this looks like it has been photocopied from the back of a comic.

I know people will think I'm just being bitter but when you think how far this has fallen in just one year you may be able to see where I'm coming from.  I have no objection to volunteers "making do" but here there is (or shouldn't be) any excuse.  All of the tools, equipment, publications and expertise are available to the "volunteer engineering team" but they choose not to use them.

Still ready for another hard summer of ragging 558 to pay the wages and the pension plans...

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: February 23, 2018, 07:10:31 PM »
Photos of the stickers.

Yes, thanks for link Minty.

The pictures were taken shortly after the stickers ("Plaques"  ;D ;D) were applied so before any retrospective rectification may have been required.

I see Mr. Homer has been over on the UK Air Show forum biging up the quality of his workmanship "I can assure you the names plaques are made from high-quality 3M 'aircraft grade' vinyl, the same type used on commercial jets often flying in minus 30 celcius temperatures above 30,000 feet.

The whole idea of them falling off and being put back on by screws with washers is just ludicrous and you would have to wonder if such comments in posts are there for another purpose."

I am afraid that if Mr. Homer had applied the stickers to a commercial jet as he has to 558 he would be peeling them off and redoing the job.  In the pictures you can see there are bubbles under the stickers and the edges do not match.  Either 3M have supplied inferior grade vinyls as the aircraft is a non-flyer (I would not have thought so) or the application procedure has been inadequately carried out.  I have been working on an Air Malta Airbus this week and the vinyl which has been applied to that aircraft is of a superb quality - unlike the bodge job under the wings of 558.

And as for any other purpose in my posting - I only have one agenda which is to see 558 preserved (preferably as a flying Vulcan rather than a backdrop for a party venue)  On the other hand you have to question the motives of the trust management who only want to generate enough cash to continue paying the rent on the numerous offices, the salaries for the numerous staff (I see Mr. Straw has a new position in the trust according to his "Linkedin" profile) and I guess since the advent of the compulsory workplace pension enough for their pension contributions as well.

They are going to need every inch of 558's wings (and probably the fuselage and fin as well) to keep paying for that lot....

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: February 19, 2018, 11:06:00 PM »
It changed back to the original title after I had posted...

So sad the way this has ended.  The "celebration" at Bruntingthorpe looks like nothing more than an elaborate piss take and another way to raise money for the wage bill.  I see there is now yet another "limited" opportunity to get your name on the wing, I guess these will carry on until 558 is completely covered with sticky back plastic  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

At least the plastic will keep the rain out of the joints Sam !!


Sadly not.  the way the stickers have been applied there is a far better chance that water will sit in the joints between the skins and the mag alloy stringer will rot even faster.

If you want to know what the result of that will be cast your mind back to the Bruntingthorpe major and the skins being peeled back to replace the stringers above the undercarriage bays.

I have also heard that there were some problems getting the first batch of stickers to stick - so the solution was to drill a few holes in the skin and attach the stickers using screws and penny washers.  If this turns out to be more than a rumor.....

Of course that will not happen now as there is no intention of using 558 as anything more than an expensive backdrop for parties and a fundraising machine to pay the executive wage bill...

Aviation Waffle / Re: Douglas C54 Skymaster at North Weald
« on: February 18, 2018, 06:41:10 PM »
We have launched another appeal on the just giving web site (via facebook) 

The target is to raise £2000 to pay for engine strip down and inspection.

So far we have raised £100.00

The first engine will be in the workshop next week and Weald are prepared to start work if we give them 10% of the inspection fee (£180)

I shall pay the deposit (I've also contributed the £100 donation)

It would be nice if a few more people could chip in as sadly I don't have the money to pay for the work myself...

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: February 16, 2018, 12:33:36 PM »
It changed back to the original title after I had posted...

So sad the way this has ended.  The "celebration" at Bruntingthorpe looks like nothing more than an elaborate piss take and another way to raise money for the wage bill.  I see there is now yet another "limited" opportunity to get your name on the wing, I guess these will carry on until 558 is completely covered with sticky back plastic  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: February 14, 2018, 12:33:36 PM »
Interesting that this thread has now been re-named from "so that's it then?" "Aircrew interview".

Well done Bill for keeping the memory alive but I think that there is something slightly dodgy going on here.

The trust would love to see anything negative disappear and renaming a thread with 19 pages of negative feedback would seem to be a good place to start...

Ways To Raise Funding / Re: Comments on the new hangar plans!
« on: January 18, 2018, 09:23:55 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

Ways To Raise Funding / Re: Comments on the new hangar plans!
« on: January 13, 2018, 08:28:26 PM »
Interesting article...

So we finally know the names of the "Specialist Consultants" who have carried out the work for the trust (which we were initially told was carried out last year)  Not being picky but looking at the websites of those companies there is no mention of any aviation related projects.  I know there is not a lot of development going on in the industry at the moment but surely the trust could have tied in with someone with experience in this field.  Still they have built lots of shops and student accommodation so that should be ok.

Nice to see that Dave Dixon of the RG group appreciates the appeal 558 had across the country - wonder if the trust will try and re-engage with that level of support (now they need to raise £3m)...

On the subject of £3million - where did the extra £200k come from as I'm sure in the summer the cost was £280k (I guess that will be the wage bill for the next year)

Nice to know the well tested business plan will enable the new building to open in the spring of 2019 (as opposed to spring 2018 as promised in February 2017)  There may well be over 6 million people living within one hour of driving but how many of them will want to go to a party in a sewage farm?

I think the trusts best bet is if one of their long term supporters decides they have put so much in so far they may as well pay for a permanent home for 558.  They may get lucky and get a few big legacies come in - that should help with the wage bill at least.

Once the hangar is built they can get on with the plan to get 163 back in the air (but from experience they are more likely to start planning a series of parties and benefit concerts) probably won't bother though as there is no mention of 163 apart from a vague mention of utilizing examples of Britain’s valuable aeronautical and engineering achievements.

I know it's only an artists impression (which I first saw on a laptop in hangar 3 a year ago - have they no more up to date stuff?) but where do they intend to park 163 and the Swift?  Still no sign of the stores or workshops.

Yes I'm bitter.  It seems to me that nothing had been done until we were all laid off - and what has been done has occurred at a snails pace.  The supporters have been kept in the dark and only now is there any information coming to light.  I guess the next thing will be the appeal for funds (bet there will be no threat to lay off the remaining staff unless they can raise the funds)  Think I need to contact the bank to increase my monthly standing order...

Aviation Waffle / Re: Douglas C54 Skymaster at North Weald
« on: December 26, 2017, 03:33:51 PM »
Thanks Dee, Yes now we have the registration sorted and we have an FAA licence engineer on-board we can make a start on the engineering (FAA regs stipulate we need an authorized mechanic to work on a FAA registered airframe)

As you said every little helps.

Happy New year.

Aviation Waffle / Re: Douglas C54 Skymaster at North Weald
« on: December 25, 2017, 10:31:21 PM »
Merry Christmas Everybody.

Our website is now up and running  ;D

Fairly basic at the moment with an overview of the project, a few pictures, our very nice promotional video and a membership form.

Very soon (once we get payment methods sorted out) we will get a webstore sorted - it's quite frustrating to be sitting on over £10k of stock and not having a way to sell it!

There will also be some history pages detailing the aircraft's life in the U.S. Navy and Marines.

We've been busy over the last month.  We now have a container at North Weald so we have somewhere to store the stock and ground equipment.  We moved all the stock from Milton Keynes and Swansea.

In the last week we have managed to complete the paperwork to transfer the registration to the society.

Our current fundraising campaign has now reached £160 with a bit of luck it will gain a bit more momentum after Christmas.

In the New Year the plan is to get the "Spare" engine out of the cabin and get it into Weald Aviations workshop, they will strip it and assess weather it can be returned to service.  We now have a quote from them for the rebuild of our six engines so we need to start raising some funds to pay for that work - the assessment of the "Spare" along with an external survey of the four fitted engines will cost us £1,900.

There is an open air market held at North Weald on Saturday and Bank Holiday Mondays and we plan to run a stall there as an outlet for our stock and to help raise awareness of the project.

There should be another news letter out at the end of January.

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:29:55 PM »
Sorry Bill, I'm on the wrong side of the country now.

I've been staying away as it seems some of my comments have not been well received by some people I have great respect for.

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:27:12 PM »
So they will let us know result of the application.

How long before the begging bowl comes out as I understand they have no interest whatsoever from any backers.

Reading between the lines of the link that Taff posted I think that the local authorities and education establishments like the idea of the "ETNA" project - but I think they just don't want the trust involved.

Reading the founding guardians magazine the impression I get is that is there is no plan to carry out the restoration of 163.  The new hangar has space for parties, events, meetings and a shop - but no space for workshops or any engineering.  The articles talk about volunteers carrying out the work - well good luck to them and well done but I wonder where this new group of engineering type volunteers is going to come from.

The only hope I see for 558 finding a roof over her head is for a single benefactor paying for it.  The airport will be happy for the hangar to be built but if the trust are not careful they will end up out on their ear again as soon as someone with money offers to take the space on.

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: December 13, 2017, 10:26:04 PM »
especially after the Trust blanking the Club Committee with regards to the final flight

Getting really tired of you perpetuating that lie Mike, and surprised no-one from committee has seen fit to correct it (which itself speaks volumes). For the record, EVERY member of committee was told by the Trust, in advance, of final flight date. At least one member was in hangar 3 before and after flight, as I've seen their photos. Far from blanked, committee were in an extremely select group to be aware of flight date, even some aircrew didn't know!
Only repeating what some members of the committee have told me,as you say no one has seen fit to correct  my and others comments !


The committee may well have been aware of the date of the flight but they were certainly not welcome.

After we had put 558 away I got a phone call from Jane Thomas.  She had come to the hangar to say goodbye to 558 - The trust management would not even let her into the hangar and she was upstairs looking at 558 from the corridor overlooking the hangar floor....

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