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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: April 26, 2018, 09:53:37 AM »
Original photographs I posted were lost because Photobox stopped the use of links if you didn't pay for the 'Pro' service. I now use 'Postimage'.

Photographs of XM569 at The Jet Age Museum, Gloucester. www.jetagemuseum.org

The bottom section of ladder slides up into the one above it and rests on the top.

The whole section can then be removed (pins at the top can be taken out so the upper section can also be lifted) and stored forrard to the left of the bomb aimers position, it isn't just flopping around loose.




We had to use something to tie them together as we didn't have hydraulics so the top one (Bottom section) would fly off when we let the hatch drop!





The top section, inside going up to the flight deck, is not as shown but similar. It can be slid to one side for easier access to the 'Bomb Aimers' position in the nose. I don't think it was ever used for the purpose of bomb aiming but it was a hang over from the 1940's style of bombing.
The person by the ladder is John Lewer, retired Sqdn Ldr, Vulcan Navigator and Tactical Navigator. He went on to pilot other aircraft but can't remember which types now.



Hope this helps a bit.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:55:52 PM »
Hello All

What if a Vulcan was doing a sortie from eg Waddington - Waddington and then for some unexpected reason had to divert to another airfield. How would they get out and back in if the bottom portion of the ladder was at Waddington.

Ejector seats and parachutes - Oh, you mean when they've landed HAHAHAHAHA

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New Members Sign In Here / Re: Final Flight
« on: October 30, 2015, 08:29:10 AM »
pity not many of us got to see it !!! it just seems such a sad and wrong way to end her flying days , I know not everyone would get to see the final flight but the whole episode just sucks and seems to have had  little thought for the genuine supporters , I know that there were concerns about safety etc  but to me , and I may have got this totally wrong , the whole thing has been badly planned and in a couple of years time how many people will be visiting her ?? no doubt many of you wont agree with what ive said but I just feel very let down and yes you may think iam not happy that I didn't get to see the final flight but I bet iam not the only one !! :(

As much as I would have loved to, I wouldn't have got up to see the final flight even if it had been well publicised but I can sympathise very much with those who would have wished to do so. I agree with a great deal of what you say. This final flight has a sordid feel to it. The great Martin Withers described this last flight as being "like a funeral". This engineering college or whatever they're planning is a nonsense, VULCAN is to inspire tomorrows engineers? OK VULCAN is inspirational but it's obsolete technology and students could easily visit an aircraft museum.

My personal view is that this magnificent beast is to enter the most shameful part of its history, that of a cobweb-clad cash-cow. None of the shame reflecting on XH558.

I don't think she will be 'Cobweb Clad', she'll be maintained and kept pristine. What the trust did was save her from being covered in cobwebs at Bruntingthorpe and got her into the sky for 8 years, quite an achievement when she was going to the scrapyard before the Walton family saved her and subsequently the trust.
It's very sad that she's not flying and all the negative talk about her last short flight negates the huge achievement of the North and South tour weekend.
Personally I'm fed up with reading such comments and will now disappear from the forum but continue to get the newsletters etc.

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Engineering / Re: Don't get sad get ANGRY!!!!
« on: October 17, 2015, 09:39:42 PM »
Personally I'm completely fed up with people not being able to accept that this is the end, and totally agree that shouting about politicians and the technical companies and authorities will do no good whatsoever.
We thought it was the end in 2013, we've had an extra 2 years for which I'm very grateful.
Time to support her in the quest to encourage aeronautical engineering now but it's obviously going to be a lot harder to raise funds when she's not flying.
I cannot express how wonderful it's been, so sad it's over but that's life.
Thanks to everyone that made it possible.

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Engineering / Re: Thank You
« on: October 11, 2015, 07:49:57 PM »
Thanks everybody, well done.
The motorway bridges at Staverton were crammed.
Al

I was thinking of the Golden Valley bridge across the M5 but then Sarah said they were having a VTTS Club table so I said I'd help out. What a sad but memorable day.

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Engineering / Re: Thank You
« on: October 11, 2015, 07:31:12 PM »
And me, wonderful to see her over Gloucestershire again, sad it's the last time but thank goodness my grandson saw it. He'll remember that I took him to see that when I'm long gone.
Thank you for the past 8 years, it's been wonderful.

As I was taking the Farewell to Flight booklets around, Lennon my Grandson in tow with the donation bucket, I don't know how many people asked if there really was no chance of her continuing. Explanation and pointing out the future plans ensued but many people were very bitter that the government won't sponsor her like the BBMF.
I did explain that she's not an RAF aircraft and we've done incredibly well for a private venture, and the flying hours achieved, the wing spar mod etc. People just don't understand I'm afraid.

It was sad today, but I "Smiled through the Tears"

Thank you to the Trust, the crews both ground and air, the operations team, the logistics team, the technical companies that have supported her through the restoration and return to flight and the Club for the support they have given over many years.
I've asked Sarah to keep me posted and shout if I'm needed again, even us oldies will rally to the call to arms.

 :)) :)) :))

Lennon our little helper today

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Aviation Waffle / Re: F35 Vertical Deck Landing
« on: September 21, 2015, 10:34:54 PM »
Yes, interesting, it would have been great if we'd had a VSTOL aircraft many years ago. Love the way it hovers, almost like a whatsitsname, that bird that is a kind of hawk. Oh yes, it's called a Harrier.

I haven't heard anything recently about the problems with the F35 but to be fair I don't think there's been an aircraft that didn't have some sort of problems during it's testing period.
Shame the Harriers were scrapped, or rather given to the USA for peanuts, but that's UK government for you, no matter who is in the history of the UK aviation industry is littered with very bad decisions by government whose only experience of flight, apart from a notable few, has been in passenger airliners.

Lets hope the F35B lives up to expectations if we have to use anyway.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 20, 2015, 11:28:25 PM »
I don't recognise the dual upper ladder, I only ever climbed up a single flight. The ladder we have on XL426 is as I remember it.
As for the door ladder, we usually carried it, but the lazy method was not to strap it down but merely to unclip it and lay it on the door upside down so that, if the door was required for evacuation in flight, it would slide off.

The hinged upper ladder section was installed by the Jet Age Museum to make it easier for public access.
I always understood the ladder to the flight deck was vertical but in that video clip it looks to be angled with wider steps than I thought, although still one piece.
I only managed to go into one Vulcan during my 12 years and that was just for a look while I was in Masirah, 1969. It's a long time ago to remember a fleeting glimpse!
Thanks for the information.

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Engineering / Re: Fuel leak
« on: September 17, 2015, 08:35:44 AM »
The ground crew have done an outstanding job in testing and determining if any problem existed last week. They are to be congratulated and thanks for their diligence and they should know how much we appreciated it.
Showed the spirit that kept these aircraft, and all aircraft in the RAF, in top condition during their service.
Well done Taff and your merry men, and thank you.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 08, 2015, 08:58:12 PM »
Thanks very much, very useful information and seems very logical.
Much appreciated
Thanks
Dave

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New Members Sign In Here / Re: Hello and help wanted
« on: September 08, 2015, 08:54:51 AM »
Hi David,
Did you serve at any RAF bases abroad? We had Met Office staff at Malta, Masirah and Gan when I served there, probably in Singapore too but I was at Seletar after the aircraft had moved to Tengah and Changi.

I remember at Gan (Maldives) we had Bert Ford, he of TV fame. I came off night shift from the commcen and thought I'd go for a single handed sail in the lagoon before having a sleep. Rang the met office and Bert looked at his radar and said it looks like about 10kt and calm.
Walked out of the sailing club and noticed the horizon was BLACK from East to West. Called Bert back and told him to forget the radar, look out of the window.
About half an hour later we had the most horrendous storm experienced in the 7 months I spent on the island!! He said it was because the storm was so huge it didn't show up on the radar as an entity, just blocked the whole thing out I guess.
Of course, it has to be said that they were 99.9% of the time totally reliable.

If you get in touch with Craig Bulman you will be very impressed, and a lovely man. I thought I had his email address but can't find it now.
Good luck
Dave Rose

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 05, 2015, 10:25:22 PM »
Ah, maybe that was common practice so that the crew didn't have to remove the ladders during taxi or after take off. In most cases they would have had better things to do with their time and on a QRA wouldn't have had any time to do it.
This scenario makes sense.
Thanks Philip.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 05, 2015, 12:15:13 PM »
Certainly the lower two sections were carried away by ground crew on my Power On experience earlier this year, as in this clip from a video, the last thing before the final ground crew member unplugged and shut the door.

Wonder if this was because she was not expecting to land anywhere else. I'm sure it was John Lewer, who was Nav Radar, who told me it was stowed. Possibly the same thing applies, if they were going on a ranger or another operation to other airfields, they would need the ladders, returning to base they wouldn't.

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Aviation Waffle / Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« on: September 04, 2015, 11:10:30 PM »
I always understood that the crew ladder sections on the hatch were removed during flight and stowed up forward somewhere in the manual bomb aimers area.

I was watching a video on Youtube the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OXLAyNpbM
About 1m 15s into it, the crew chief removes the lower two sections completely before closing the hatch.

I also thought that the ladder up to the upper flight deck was vertical rather than the angled one we put into XM569 to make it easier for the public.
In this video the upper ladder shown has nice wider steps and is angled.

SO - THE QUESTIONS ARE;
1 - did the format of the upper ladder section change with different marks of Vulcan?

2 - Under what circumstances was the bottom two portions removed by the ground crew?

They can't have always been removed because I've seen them in Singapore, Malta, Masirah and Gan with the crew ladders down. I never was on a flying station in the UK, another reason I preferred to be abroad!

Appreciative of any help with my questions yet again.
Cheers
Dave Rose

Bottom sections


Top section in XM569, hinged for stowage when closing up for the night. This is the ladder that was put in by the Jet Age Museum to make it easier for public access.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Spotted
« on: July 28, 2015, 09:35:29 PM »
11:25 - a very grey, wet and low cloud base Gloucester but managed to catch this Sea King flying over. A very unusual sight nowadays.

No idea what that notice is on the side of it, anyone know anything about this? I was too busy trying to focus through the window to try to read it.
Hi,

I'd guess it was probably on its way to or from Sunderland. We were there on Saturday, and the role demo / beach invasion included a Royal Navy Sea King from Yeovilton. The sign on the side says "Royal Navy".

I'll check my photos from yesterday to see if it was this one that we saw....

Tim

Thanks Tim, I belong to a photo journal website called Blipfoto and the very next day the Sea King was on one of my 'friends' at Sunderland. See this link.
https://www.polaroidblipfoto.com/entry/2071718007305929478


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