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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:36:37 PM »
Again, Hanger 1 is RENT FREE until the end of April (18/1/2017).  Unless it's going to be towed out to somewhere else equally rent-free (which hasn't been mentioned), or left outside rent-free (which has been discounted), then I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Hanger 1 will continue to be available - at a rental - until the new/interim hanger is available in early 2018.  I do agree that this is one of the many missing bits of info, amongst the rest that has only been drip-fed over the past month.

Dr Pleming has also said that there will be no more pleas for cash during 2017, presumably because they need the funding for Hanger 1 rent to be in place before the rent-free period expires.  What happens if the £200k ("to secure the Trust and its assets for 2017" 8/2/2017) is not raised/matched by the end of April is another matter.

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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 13, 2017, 08:43:23 AM »
I am sure when that first appeared you could click on the image and look at the drawings.  There was an overview which showed a lot of the stuff that is in the childs sketch.  When you click on the image now it takes you to the "just giving page"...

Not for me just now.

And I thought it was rather in the spirit of another preliminary sketch ...

If you read the newsletters you will see that Hanger 1 is expected to be used until early 2018, and the new hanger for at least five years.  April is the end of the rent-free period for Hanger 1.


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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 11, 2017, 10:33:09 AM »
The last news letter I received was Friday the 13th January.

Nothing heard since then...

Maybe they didn't want to rub salt ...

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Engineering / Re: Extraordinary General Meeting Needed?
« on: February 10, 2017, 02:11:08 PM »
I meant to add, that it is a pity they didn't publish something as clear as this weeks 'Survival Plan Update' newsletter in the first place, instead of vague references to 'secure storage' and no explanation of why the extra money was needed.  But even that doesn't make clear the £200k will cover until the new hanger is up and running, Dr Pleming said in the interview there won't be any more requests for emergency funding during that period.

£18-20M for the Etna  centre is another ball-game altogether!

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Engineering / Re: Extraordinary General Meeting Needed?
« on: February 10, 2017, 01:09:06 PM »
"unreasonable overbearing questions"

Was I listening to the same thing?  To me his questions were polite, one could almost say respectful.  He asked short questions, and listened to long and sometimes a bit rambling responses without interrupting.  It would have been a farce of an interview if he didn't ask the questions that were being raised elsewhere.

However.  Dr Pleming seems to be attributing 18,000 hanger visitors to Doncaster - I suggest that was down to XH558.

He also mentioned Bawtry Road as a possible site for viewing fast taxying, but that has public access, and used by other organisations for their businesses.  One wonders how they could raise income from that.  Within the airport boundary viewing options are minimal and restricted.

One of the main reasons for Doncaster was to fly other jet heritage aircraft in and out safely, but elsewhere he says he can see the day when jet heritage aircraft flying no longer occurs in the UK.

And I still don't understand why it was necessary to move from Hanger 3 to Hanger 1.  The space is the same, if freight could go into Hanger 3 then surely it could go into Hanger 1.  And as the indications are that Hanger 1 was emptied for XH558, which couldn't the bonding be lifted so as to allow public access?

Regarding the double roll. it's the first time I've seen it confirmed that it did actually occur.  He mentioned a video, I'd love to see that!

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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 03, 2017, 04:28:31 PM »
The information has gone out in the regular newsletter and is on the website.

To hibernate the existing operations, re-home the vital specialist tools, displays, period artefacts and other key assets, and secure Vulcan XH558 and Canberra WK163 in the new storage location, is expected to cost around £200,000 more than the Trust can afford given the cessation of tours and events. Half of this has been promised as matched-funding by a group of philanthropists close to Vulcan to the Sky Trust, against donations from XH558’s supporters and those who believe in retaining Jet-Age aircraft in British skies.

And the rest of the questions?

Is the £200k for maintenance until April?  Or for a year?  If the former will there be regular pleading for £100k per month for the remainder of the year?  Or if the latter why the apparent panic to raise it by the end of March?

"This is the latest press release maybe it answers some more questions"

Again, it takes a press release to learn that Hanger 1 is the first interim, then the 'dedicated purpose-built facility to be ready for early 2018' is another interim, until ETNA is ready.  And the building of ETNA will 'most likely' not have to be funded by the Trust.

We still don't know why they had to move from Hanger 3 to Hanger 1 when the two buildings seem identical.  It can't just be space for freight, that makes no sense.

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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 03, 2017, 11:08:54 AM »
So. The Trust can tell the media (see their Twitter feed) that the airport is providing the temporary storage facility free until April, and that the £200k is needed to maintain them there, and that it is likely to be a year until they will have the new hanger and resume activities, but not us.

Is the £200k for maintenance until April?  Or for a year?  If the former will there be regular pleading for £100k per month for the remainder of the year?  Or if the latter why the panic to raise it by the end of March?

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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 02, 2017, 10:10:08 AM »
I see pictures on Twitter of XH558 being pushed out of hanger 3, and pulled into hanger 1, which seems to have been emptied of everything else.  To my untrained eye they are the same size, so why does she have to be moved?  And if it was always the intention to move to hanger 1 in this interim period why didn't they say so in place of the vague 'temporary storage facility'.

Wasn't the reason given for the move that the airport needed more space for their growing freight business?  So how come hanger 1 is available?  Is that owned by someone else who would rather rent the space to VTTS than Doncaster airport?  And is the £200k needed to pay that rent in this intervening period?  If so is a similar amount going to be needed to pay the rent on the new hanger?

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Trust Newsletter archive / Re: NEWS LETTER
« on: February 01, 2017, 09:05:34 AM »
£43k raised so far, the implication being that this amount will be matched by the philanthropists mentioned in the 18th Jan newsletter.  Is that right?  Which would make the end of Feb target almost met?  Or is that the matched amount which would be very different?  I wish things were made clearer.

And why is £200k needed by the end of March anyway, if the developers are funding the construction of the hanger, and VTTS will only start leasing it then?  I wish things were made clearer.

And just what does 'temporary storage facility' until the end of April mean?  I wish things were made clearer.

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Engineering / Re: OUR GREAT ENGINNERS
« on: January 28, 2017, 03:36:49 PM »
... get up on those wings and clean her!!!...

Much less sit in Martin Wither's seat and open the bomb-bay doors!

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Wellesbourne and XM655
« on: January 27, 2017, 11:14:29 AM »
The event is growing each year but the volunteer force isn't.

Not uncommon in the worlds of classics.  My local-ish MG group has announced this year's open (as opposed to just group members) MG Heritage run is to be the 25th and last because of the effects of passing time on the organisers.  Disappointingly on the same day as Wellesbourne last year, and we opted to do the run.  But ironically the route (unknown in advance) took us right past the airfield and we were treated to several fly-overs by a jet as we passed by.  Had I known of both these changes at the time we would have done Wellesbourne last year and the run this!  As it is we are doing the run this year anyway as we were on the first as well as a number of others.

As far as becoming a volunteer for MaPS goes, anyone interested should just turn up on a Saturday morning and have a chat with the people there.  That's apparently how most of them started.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Wellesbourne and XM655
« on: January 26, 2017, 10:07:30 AM »
Sadly no Wings and Wheels for 2017 http://www.xm655.com/index.php

"In the post-Shoreham world, the amount of work required from our small volunteer organisation cannot be justified."

and

"Possible events for future years will be considered when we have a clearer view of the airfield’s availability."

Those two statements don't quite compute.


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Engineering / Re: Extraordinary General Meeting Needed?
« on: January 21, 2017, 01:55:03 PM »
You can moan all you like if it makes you feel better, but like all the bitching about ending her flying life it won't make one jot of difference.

They give arguments as to why Doncaster was chosen including "mainly related to the need to have a top-quality runway with emergency support so we can taxi XH558 regularly for her supporters."

XM655 does regular fast taxying at an airfield with minimal facilities and living out of doors.  Doncaster has significant disadvantages such as being booted out of house and home when commercial pressures take precedence as we have seen, probably very strict controls and potential penalties for fast taxying - imagine if there were a major problem on the runway and it couldn't immediately be moved.  But most importantly with the public road immediately adjacent to the full length of the runway and with far better views than anywhere the public are likely to be allowed inside the airport perimeter, just how many paying customers are they going to get?  They may well be regretting that decision, but I doubt they would admit it, and unless a one-off flight can be authorised (even assuming alternative proper accommodation can be arranged) they - and we! - are stuck with it.

They also mention needing somewhere to fly the Canberra from - eventually - but I can't see that needs a full commercial airport either.

"We always, always, check the intakes..."

That's just cruel ...  ::)

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Engineering / Re: hanger move
« on: January 21, 2017, 01:48:26 PM »
If you read the information it only talks about 'donations', not pledges.

They give arguments as to why Doncaster was chosen including "mainly related to the need to have a top-quality runway with emergency support so we can taxi XH558 regularly for her supporters."

XM655 does regular fast taxying at an airfield with minimal facilities and living out of doors.  Doncaster has significant disadvantages such as being booted out of house and home when commercial pressures take precedence as we have seen, probably very strict controls and potential penalties for fast taxying - imagine if there were a major problem on the runway and it couldn't immediately be moved.  But most importantly with the public road immediately adjacent to the full length of the runway and with far better views than anywhere the public are likely to be allowed inside the airport perimeter, just how many paying customers are they going to get?  They may well be regretting that decision, but I doubt they would admit it, and unless a one-off flight can be authorised (even assuming alternative proper accommodation can be arranged) they - and we! - are stuck with it.

They also mention needing somewhere to fly the Canberra from - eventually - but I can't see that needs a full commercial airport either.

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Engineering / Re: hanger move
« on: January 21, 2017, 09:19:51 AM »
Some Q&A here for those that haven't seen it http://www.vulcantothesky.org/faq-contact/survival-q-a.html

Still curiously vague as to where they will be: 'inside in a dry environment'.

On the question of cost of new hanger(s) "The developers are paying for the development on land already identified by the airport. Vulcan to the Sky Trust will be leasing it from the developers so we will not need to invest any supporters’ money in the building or the infrastructure."  But no indication as to whether this relates to the interim or ETNA hanger.

Of note is that 24% of the first £100,000 was raised in 24 hours.

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