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Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: August 14, 2017, 02:39:59 PM »
I'm not sure what you expect me to post here?

I'm a contractor with no knowledge of many of the things that seem to be an issue.

I'll kindly suggest you need to speak to one of the Trustees or wait on any official statements that might come along.
As it is, I'm rather tired of all the implications that I am somehow involved as a 'member of the Trust' in all that it does or the direction and position it is in.

Nor do I like the thought that some might think I'm 'profiteering' of publicly donated money. I've actually helped turn donations into vast profits, but that's another story. 

I do not manage the Trust, so it's just best for me to keep a low profile and do what I'm contracted to do...... if any have a problem with what I have 'cost' - then think again.

For clarity, I'll not be visiting this forum in future.

Many thanks.

That's an interesting comment Ian.  I am sure that under your username it says "administrator" how will that work?  We will now have a forum where the administrator does not visit....

You have spent a long time blowing your own trumpet, letting everyone know what a great job you have done.  Only natural then that they will assume that you are closely connected to the trust and all of its mechanisms and decisions.

Being a contractor for the trust is a pretty thankless task - but at least they talked to you (and still retain your services) not saying I did not have a great time as I did but it would have been nice if the management (not including you as you are just a fellow scummy contractor) or the trustees, on one of their rare visits  to the hangar floor, had made some sort of effort to say hello - or even explain what was going on...

The problem is that people have given a lot of money - some people gave a lot more than they could afford and now they can not even see the aircraft they supposedly have a "share" in.  To add further insult to injury they are now being asked to donate more money for  a scheme that many feel will desecrate the aircraft for no purpose other than keeping a few people in a job.  There is no evidence that those people still employed are making any progress in preserving 558 for future generations or inspiring future generations of aviation people - I would say they are doing more to inspire future generations of administrators, bookkeepers and party planners, as that way you are sure to keep your job when the plan goes pear shape...

Engineering / Re: How would you feel?
« on: August 12, 2017, 08:41:39 PM »
The problem is the trust are not interested in anyone's opinion.

As far as they are concerned anyone who posts on an internet forum is a half wit and their opinion is not worth the paper it is written on.

As far as the trust are concerned it is their way or no way.

All we can hope is that when the trust goes belly up there is something worth saving.

For what it is worth Jacqui this will not cost you a penny.  The new owner will buy the wreckage from the trust (plus any spares that have not been sold in bobs bargin store) he will employ FAA licensed mechanics to sort the jet and then fly it away.

There will be no "give us your money or 558 is scrapped" type appeals.

Engineering / How would you feel?
« on: August 09, 2017, 09:46:50 PM »
In the glory days, when 558 was a living breathing entity not an afterthought abandoned in a sewage farm, one of the threats used to extract money from the supporters (once the trust had worked out that "give us your money or the engineers will all be sacked" did not work too well) was "Give us your money or 558 will be sold to the United States!"

Given the current situation where the trust appears to be in total melt down (assets abandoned outside with no protection, fire sale of merchandise and spares inventory etc., no tangible progress on either ETNA or the temporary hangar) how would you feel if someone from the other side of the pond purchased 558 and flew her away?

As I see it the trust is a slow motion car crash.  For whatever reason they seem determined to destroy everything they achieved.  Perhaps if they just folded the trust there would have been some sort of penalty payable to the HLF or other creditors so they have decided to try and kill the thing off by suffocation, I know nothing but it seems bizarre to have something so great and then destroy it.  Perhaps this all some sort of brinksmanship with the HLF to persuade them to pay for ETNA, which I was told was paid for two years ago?

How would you feel if 558 was placed on the American F.A.A. register as an experimental aircraft?  She would flown to the States where she would be part of a privately funded collection, flown on the U.S. show scene and bought back over for a summer season once every two or three years.  The well healed (and those of us with a massive bucket list) would be able to go to the States to see our baby and there would be the chance of her coming back to reinvigorate the flagging European airshow scene.

Otherwise she can just stay where she is on the off chance that Roberts master plan comes off.

I am not saying that it could or would happen.  I just wonder how people would feel if it did...

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: August 08, 2017, 12:13:47 AM »
As far as I recall after Pat retired you took over as the Quality police.

You told me that the auths had been kept up to date when I last spoke to you.

I am glad you have no need to use my stamp.  That being the case I wonder why you were so insistent on it's return.

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: August 06, 2017, 03:48:43 PM »
So the latest masterpiece in marketing has landed.

Am I missing the point but if the names will only be visible upon close viewing (given that the only way you can see the aircraft is by trespassing on the waterboards land - and even then you will still be a couple of hundred feet away the wrong side of a chain link fence)  why bother giving the trust £30.00 for something you will never see?  How much does the trust expect to generate from this latest fundraising wheeze?  What will the money be spent on this time?  My guess is it will go the same way as the £200,000 generated in the spring (as far as I can tell, keeping the management in a job for as long as possible) how exactly will the money "contribute to the trusts work to secure a new home for 558" - I thought that was what the earlier £200,000 was for...  Will this just be a recurring theme trotted out every six months or so until the fictitious new hangar appears?

“Vulcan XH558 can still pay a very important role as an icon of our aeronautical heritage and as a beacon for other heritage aviation projects in a new hangar that will give the aviation community and the wider general public access to aircraft like never before - with the exciting vision of a restoration and operating facility that will keep other heritage aircraft not only on display, but airborne and at air displays in the years to come. Once XH558 is settled in her new home, the Trust will turn its attention to the restoration of Canberra WK163; we are already considering the operation of other loaned aircraft on the display circuit next year,” Robert declared.

The trust is considering the operation of other loaned aircraft next year?  Who is going to look after these loaned aircraft?  There are no engineers left in the employment of the trust.  I understand that all of my authorisations have been kept up to date and I was forced to leave my stamp behind when I was sacked from the company.  I shall be very annoyed if I find out that my authorisations and signature are being used to certify work which I have not carried out.

The trust has kept on three (possibly four) people to look after the webstore which was meant to generate the funds to keep paying the staff.  Given the amount of stock that was shoe horned into Delta court when Hinckley shut I wonder how that is going?  I see there are still over 350 items available and they are now advertising "the biggest ever sale with over 90% reductions"!  Seriously - 90% reductions?  The stuff must have been stupidly over priced in the first place.  Still I'm sure the stock all but flew off the shelves of Bobs bargain basement at the shows - the staff all looked very smart (in yet another "new for this year only" polo shirt) when I saw them at Fairford there were eight people at the serving hatch - shame that six of them were staff!

The car crash continues and I am getting even more angry.  Ian wants positive?  As Jacqui and Mike said "What the hell is there to be positive about?"

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 31, 2017, 10:58:28 PM »
Hi Sam, if only the Red Steer was still working, they might have seen it coming!!!  8)

The most annoying thing was that they knew it was coming about this time last year.

They just chose not to share the information with us low lifes...

I was told in August last year that 2 excell wanted to move into hangar 3 and 558 was going to be evicted.

The management just let us carry on as if nothing would happen - they have the attitude "we are Vulcan to the sky - we can do what we like"

I feel very guilty about the way I let the students and cadets involved in the build a plane project believe they were really going to achieve something.  I even had a meeting with the technical college (along with Andrew Edmondson and Ian Straw) about taking Jack Barrat on as an apprentice.  At the time I could not work out why Andrew and Ian were so reluctant to push the scheme along - I guess they already knew we were finished.

Andy I believed that Doncaster was the right place to retire the jet as I foolishly believed the party line.

Yeovilton would have been a good call but I'm not sure the Navy would have welcomed here with open arms (and I'm prety sure they would not have wanted the trust with all it's baggage)

The pictures I saw on face book yesterday show her not down on the old 101 Sqn dispersal (where people would have been able to see her as their holiday jets taxi past) but properly hidden next to the tanker pool - talk about out of sight, out of mind...

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 30, 2017, 12:49:05 AM »
Not likely,  for what it's worth I don't think Brunty was the right place for her either.

I also don't think she should have been retired at all.

A plan was presented to the management but they did not act on it.

I believe that 558 would still be flying if we had pursued a different course of action.

A lot of other stuff  that should have happened never did and I wonder now how serious we were about any of it....

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 28, 2017, 11:13:04 PM »
Unlike here...

Medium term storage?  What ever happened to "we'll be in the new hangar by the end of 2017 - with tours and events starting in early 2018" (Andrew Edmonson in my redundancy interview)

Safely stored in a quiet corner of the airfield?  That will be the engine running pan (with the Jetstream). For quiet corner read "out of sight, out of mind"

The trusts thanks the airport for their support?  I would think both parties are both wishing they had never met.

"These aircraft were designed to spend most of their lives outside"  Yes Robert, but while they were outside they were in use with power applied almost everyday and flying once in awhile which keeps the air circulating and prevents moisture building up in all the crevices.  558 will be run once in a blue moon and 163 will not run for the foreseeable future.

The good news is that they are not going to cover the aircraft with Tarps a originally planned.  The reason is that when they priced up the tarps they found they could not afford it.  What the hell did they spend £200,000 on?  I have a feeling it was the wages for the remaining staff - which they keep adding to.

Looking forward to hearing that building has started?  It would be nice to hear that the the land has been purchased or maybe planning permission has been made.

This is like watching a car crash in slow motion and it makes me so angry.

I think the management lost interest in this a long time ago and are just hanging on as long as there is money coming in to pay their wages.  For the last six months we were in hangar three we never saw them - they just hid themselves up in their ivory tower office (behind a locked door so that we could not go up and bother them)

I can think of no reason why they are so determined to kill off all of their support the way they treated the club is a disgrace - after the final flight they would not even let Jane and Malcolm into the hangar!

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 25, 2017, 06:42:57 PM »
I see the Swift is now back in hangar three.

I bet the owner is very impressed with the way this has all turned out.

Still at least 2excell have a nice grey green jet to show off to their customers in their shinny new home. >:(

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 24, 2017, 12:50:48 AM »
So the trust have finally got around to employing a proper painter to restore the surface finish on the port side of the Canberra - well they have let him prime it (the only problem is that primer is porous and will absorb the moisture) no idea why they did not let him apply the top coat.  Not that it matters as that skin has a non-standard repair and will need to be replaced - I had written a scheme for that, I wonder if any of the management bothered to keep a copy?

I understand the dink on 558 is to the Red Steer radome nice bit of plastic repair putty and all will be ok....

Seems like the new crowd of volunteers have seen fit to remove Jacqui and Dee's signatures from the skin behind the dog - so long, thanks for all the fish (don't let the door slam you on the arse when you leave)  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

No more news on the new hangar (tarpaulin)  I wonder when the trust will tell their supporters that the jets are going outside for the foreseeable future?

I see that the operations manager is back at work - so I think that is now 10 employees for a charitable trust that exists to inspire the next generation of engineers and designers (while not employing a single engineer)

The hangar looks a lot more empty than it was in February I wonder where all the stuff that had been donated over the years has gone (probably not all into one shipping container and a curtainside trailer.)

Maybe it's time for someone to contact the heritage lottery fund to see what they think of the return on their "investment" now?

And if any one from URARSE reads this - no, I do not post on your forum under any name.

Aviation Waffle / Re: Spotted
« on: July 22, 2017, 12:16:09 AM »
Two Qatari Globe masters!

Bet the troops who got off in the middle of a wet and windy Cardiff airport were very impressed!

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 12, 2017, 02:25:52 PM »
Yes I know that they are reading and quoting the comments.

I do look at that forum (and have done for the last six or seven years)  I don't post as the trust frowned upon us (the groundcrew) posting anything on the internet.  They do love to hate us (bit strange for a group of "aviation enthusiasts") but that thread is now over 200 pages - and that is version 3 or 4!

I am quite interested in the comments by one of the posters "Neverfuel" who claims to only have a passing interest in 558 but can somehow name nearly all of the remaining members of staff.  He seems to think that as I was paid to work on 558 I should now be going back every spare moment I have to look after her for nothing.

Leave the thread where it is - hardly anyone comes on here now anyway....

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 07, 2017, 05:21:41 PM »
The canopy does not leak if the canopy seal is inflated.  The problem with that is you need a a Nitrogen trolley to recharge the system.  The trolley was empty last time I looked and since the trust does not seem too keen to spend any money I wonder if they have been back to the supplier to get refilled bottles.

There is a canopy cover for 558 and also a full set of covers for 163 so I wonder why they are even thinking about shrouding the jets in tarpaulins (unless it is to disguise the fact that they have been dumped outside.)

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« on: July 04, 2017, 02:46:09 PM »
The latest I have heard is that all three aircraft will be moved outside at the end of the month....

There is a plan to cover them up with tarpaulins - I can think of no reason to do this other than to try and hide the fact that they are outside.  It certainly will not give them any protection from the weather and judging by the state of the VC 10's when they left Abingdon will only serve to promote the corrosion and degradation.

It seems there is a problem with the planning permission for the land for the new hangar so Iguess they won't be moving in by the end of 2017.

I have heard that there was another secret engine run last week.

I have also heard that 558 has been dinked and is need of some paint repair - if the paint needs to be repaired what has happened to the structure?

It's all looking very like the group that "took over" the Shackleton at Coventry, they then spent all of the money which had been donated having fun trying carrying out runs to train up people who had never been near an aircraft in their lives.

Aviation Waffle / Re: Spotted
« on: July 01, 2017, 11:08:45 PM »
Red Arrows, Spitfire and Hurricane at Cardiff airport (think it was Swansea airshow today - but they delivered the wrong weather!)

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