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Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« Last post by Funtera on May 21, 2018, 08:23:15 PM »
"Dan O" - the Sunday Sport of aviation...  ;)
Haha, the Daily Sport and Sunday Sport, they had some great headlines! Wasn't there a Liberator crashed on the moon once, then a London Double Decker bus got transported to the North Pole... :o

Lancaster and it was 2nd Edition !! 1st edition was the Double Decker at the North Pole
Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« Last post by PhillyJ on May 21, 2018, 09:40:23 AM »
"Dan O" - the Sunday Sport of aviation...  ;)
Haha, the Daily Sport and Sunday Sport, they had some great headlines! Wasn't there a Liberator crashed on the moon once, then a London Double Decker bus got transported to the North Pole... :o
Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« Last post by eddief on May 18, 2018, 11:33:49 PM »
"Dan O" - the Sunday Sport of aviation...  ;)
Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« Last post by sickbag_andy on May 16, 2018, 01:47:50 PM »
well you whetted my appetite Clive and I had a look but the original statement has now gone, but your copy here still exists.

I'm amazed that that lot still keep dragging the same subject up and really it's no wonder that I and others refuse to post on there. It's the most unfriendly forum that I've ever been on, aggressive and rude. Dan'O thrives on his antagonism and imflammatory comments with which he leads the way and then his disciples do what disciples do best and follow suit so it's an ever increasing tank full of  insulting comments to almost every aircraft preservation group or airshow organiser in the UK. Last week it was Shuttleworth getting an e-bashing for daring to include the Typhoon, today as well as the regular VTST bashing it's Scampton and so on.

I'm not defending the Trust here, I do feel they have let us down with their decision making but the attacks on Steve Liddle this morning by Rich-whatshisname culminating in 'Oh, really? Sorry, you don't get to take the bat and ball and go home just yet. We're not done' was downright rude as well as aggressive and hardly deserving of a civil reply if indeed any reply at all.

UKAR are not official spokespersons for the enthusiasts but try to behave as if they are but their attitude will (if it hasn't already' lose them all credibility. That in some ways is a shame because a group acting as an 'official' liasion between airshows and the more serious airshow attending public could be a positive thing but who in their right mind is going to listed to them with their attitude for any length of time? A case in point is DanO, he clearly think antagonism is the best approach and upsets people on the way (including me and that is why I stopped posting there, they could clearly do without me although I notice several of my posts on here have then been quoted in full - without my permission)  but sadly he does actually make a few good points and a far more conciliatory attitude might  find him making his points better AND getting better responses.

I'd like to see answers from the trust, we aren't getting enough at the moment - all I keep getting is almost daily e-mails with the latest V-Bay offer and a tenuous story to beef it out and call it a newsletter (I thought they were reducing to one a week to keep down costs) but harping back to the past solves nothing unless it's the past of the last 3 years and why it has all gone so wrong. I agreed with Doncaster as a flying base but unfinanced grand plans at a live airport were the wrong choice for after flight however I'm not sure that the much heralded Bruntingthorpe ticked all the boxes - for me more than Doncaster but not all.
Whether we will ever get all or even some of the relevant answers I don't know but I hope so. The relevant questions forme now are:
1: is there any likelihood of even the currently approved hangar being built i.e. has a backer been found? If not then you can almost certainly rule out ETNA and that was the core argument for staying at Doncaster so with no funds in place an alternative cheaper option should have been sought before flying ended.
2: is the current funding model sustainable in the long run or is 558 on an inevitable collision course with a breaker's cutter at some point? It seems to be based on goodwill plus charging high prices to get up close for the few that can realistcally afford it, hardly the accessible 'people's aircraft' that was offered. Another Vulcan did engine runs for it's supporters on a live airport recently so what is so different with Doncaster? (and it wasn't at £100 per person).
3: was a guarantee that in their then present state that the Trust could do fast taxiing on the Doncaster runway? (I've been told that at present the airport are totally against it because of the risks to the runway operations, i.e the aircraft might break down or similar) The regular fast taxi runs  were another carrot to persuade us the long supporting public that Doncaster was a good choice so when if ever will they materialise AND in a way which are publicly accessible at a reasonable price?

Those for me are the core questions. silicagate and rollgate are way in the past and harping on about them serves no purpose, I'm sure they were dealt with such that a repetition would not occur, if the Trust operate a blame free culture then so be it, that's all in the past now and ultimately the CAA were satisfied so that's all we need to know.

Engineering / Re: So that's it then?
« Last post by wcg on May 16, 2018, 08:25:33 AM »
Whilst somewhat off topic.....

A serious accusation regarding the silica bag incident has been posted on UKAR by someone who calls himself 'bernarde'.
Given that there are those on here ( including Sam, unless I'm mistaken ) who've said they don't frequent that forum, I feel it should be posted on here :
VTTS will never give any information out on the silica incident as it was covered up as the person who removed them (or not) shouldn't have been anywhere near the aircraft while preparing for a sortie. Needless to say they remained employed by the trust but in a "IT" role. The engineers got the blame who we're not even on-site due to being stuck in traffic.
Former Aircrew / RAF Scampton Vulcan Bay Numbers?
« Last post by Lancaster50 on May 13, 2018, 12:40:42 PM »
Afternoon All

Does anyone know what were the Vulcan Parking Bay Numbers at RAF Scampton, with being a Vulcan nut!! it would be much appreciated.


Lancaster 50   
Aviation Waffle / Re: R.A.F. 100 Aircraft Flypast
« Last post by wcg on April 27, 2018, 03:03:53 PM »
wonder if with the way things are going there will be a formation of drones
Ah, that'll explain this NOTAM :
 B) FROM: 18/04/17 15:00
C) TO: 18/04/29 17:00


Practice displays for the flypast... >:D
Aviation Waffle / Re: R.A.F. 100 Aircraft Flypast
« Last post by Funtera on April 27, 2018, 12:03:22 PM »
wonder if with the way things are going there will be a formation of drones
Aviation Waffle / Re: Bill Ramsey and XH558
« Last post by CLIFFORD on April 26, 2018, 02:05:34 PM »
thanks for that really interesting :) ;)
Aviation Waffle / Re: Vulcan Crew Ladder - In or Out?
« Last post by djrose007 on April 26, 2018, 09:53:37 AM »
Original photographs I posted were lost because Photobox stopped the use of links if you didn't pay for the 'Pro' service. I now use 'Postimage'.

Photographs of XM569 at The Jet Age Museum, Gloucester.

The bottom section of ladder slides up into the one above it and rests on the top.

The whole section can then be removed (pins at the top can be taken out so the upper section can also be lifted) and stored forrard to the left of the bomb aimers position, it isn't just flopping around loose.

We had to use something to tie them together as we didn't have hydraulics so the top one (Bottom section) would fly off when we let the hatch drop!

The top section, inside going up to the flight deck, is not as shown but similar. It can be slid to one side for easier access to the 'Bomb Aimers' position in the nose. I don't think it was ever used for the purpose of bomb aiming but it was a hang over from the 1940's style of bombing.
The person by the ladder is John Lewer, retired Sqdn Ldr, Vulcan Navigator and Tactical Navigator. He went on to pilot other aircraft but can't remember which types now.

Hope this helps a bit.
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