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Offline johnjosh43

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Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« on: September 05, 2010, 01:11:11 PM »
Don't if this is chitchat or engineering ?

If a Vulcan is being scrapped and only the cockpit retained, I assume that it's cut (horrible sound ain't it) at the pressure bulkhead.

How heavy and big would the resultant bit be ?

Would it fit on a trailer of some kind ?
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2010, 01:16:06 PM »
They must fit on a trailer as the one that's at B/mth aviation museum used to be at Bruntingthorpe, and I'm guessing it didn't fly there!  :D

Couldn't help on the weight of the cockpit section though, sorry.
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2010, 01:21:05 PM »
One for Denis I think - they are moveable because the Trust used to take 602 nose that they had on loan to airshows - needed a large flatbed I think, & I've no idea of the weight.
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 02:28:34 PM »
Quote from: "Mayfly"
One for Denis I think - they are moveable because the Trust used to take 602 nose to airshows that they had on loan - needed a large flatbed I think, & I've no idea of the weight.

602 was mounted on a special frame which originally married to a special trailer to keep it within the road legal dimensions, we used a standard artic trailer, but needed a police escort,  and has now gone to the Manchester Science Museum.... not sure if it's on display yet?

Cockpit section weight is approx 3-4 tons, but to my mind I don't think 558 will be scrapped, lets face it she stands the HLF at minimum of £2.73million and there is a home waiting for her at Bruntingthorpe anyway so why cut her up?
After all she is a Heritage Asset paid for by all our money therefore she belongs to us, therefore we should have a say in where she goes.... Their minds ( the HLF)  can be influenced... remember the outcry when the peroject was turned down for a grant on first application... lets make sure we are ready to do it again, if nessessary, hopefully we wont have to..... yet!
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 02:37:22 PM »
:o  I read it as just a general inquiry not thoughts of 558!!!
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 02:39:24 PM »
Quote from: "Zero One"
Quote from: "Mayfly"
One for Denis I think - they are moveable because the Trust used to take 602 nose to airshows that they had on loan - needed a large flatbed I think, & I've no idea of the weight.

602 was mounted on a special frame which originally married to a special trailer to keep it within the road legal dimensions, we used a standard artic trailer, but needed a police escort,  and has now gone to the Manchester Science Museum.... not sure if it's on display yet?

Cockpit section weight is approx 3-4 tons, but to my mind I don't think 558 will be scrapped, lets face it she stands the HLF at minimum of £2.73million and there is a home waiting for her at Bruntingthorpe anyway so why cut her up?
After all she is a Heritage Asset paid for by all our money therefore she belongs to us, therefore we should have a say in where she goes.... Their minds ( the HLF)  can be influenced... remember the outcry when the peroject was turned down for a grant on first application... lets make sure we are ready to do it again, if nessessary, hopefully we wont have to..... yet!

Ta Denis

It ain't for 558. I was just wondering in case any came up available. I saw a Tornado front end the other day and a Vulcan nose seemed interesting. 3-4 tons = too much :-)
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 02:48:21 PM »
Whoops jumping to conclusions again......just nervous for the future.... sorry
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 04:14:01 PM »
Quote from: "Topsy"
They must fit on a trailer as the one that's at B/mth aviation museum used to be at Bruntingthorpe, and I'm guessing it didn't fly there!  :D

Couldn't help on the weight of the cockpit section though, sorry.

I dont think 537 ever made it to Brunty... This is a quote is lifted from the BAM website :

'She was scrapped in May 1991. However, the nose was saved and bought by Vulcan fan Colin Mears in 1994, who sold it to another fan - Paul Hartley - in 1997. There had been a plan for XH537's nose to carry out crew escape and rescue trainer for XH558, however in late 2001 she moved to Bournemouth (Hurn) Airport instead, with Channel Express sponsoring her restoration before her sale to the Bournemouth Aviation Museum in March 2003.'

Piccy of 537 intact  ;)

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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 04:46:50 PM »
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I dont think 537 ever made it to Brunty...
Well the picture on this link claims that this was XH537 shortly after arrival at Hurn from Bruntingthorpe........  http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=10456

Have to say it was in pretty poor condition back then though, so at least it went to a good home where they had paint and brushes.  :D   http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=416390
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2010, 05:09:34 PM »
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Well the picture on this link claims that this was XH537 shortly after arrival at Hurn from Bruntingthorpe........  http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=10456


I will get the bottom of this yet. I now have a BAM trustee on the case... who also thinks same as me. He will dig her file out and let me know. So ... stay tuned  :)

537 as she now is :

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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 05:27:55 PM »
Thanks for the pic Phill.  537 does look better with wings on, proudly displaying 27 Squadron's Dumbo insignia on her fin  :D .  Oh well, at least us Southerners have a local Vulcan to call our own, even if it is somewhat incomplete!
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 05:30:19 PM »
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Thanks for the pic Phill.  537 does look better with wings on, proudly displaying 27 Squadron's Dumbo insignia on her fin  :D .  Oh well, at least us Southerners have a local Vulcan to call our own, even if it is somewhat incomplete!

Yep... better a bit of one than nothing at all  :D
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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 05:53:42 PM »
Quote from: "Pujgnie"

Well the picture on this link claims that this was XH537 shortly after arrival at Hurn from Bruntingthorpe........  http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=10456



I will get the bottom of this yet. I now have a BAM trustee on the case... who also thinks same as me. He will dig her file out and let me know. So ... stay tuned  :)

537 as she now is :




Pretty sure Paul had 2 of his 3 cockpits at Bruntingthorpe 537 and 563.... incidentally the picture on the back of a white artic is not 537 but 563 sitting on Nev Martins pan when it arrived from Scotland... 537 was moved to Bournemouth (and with the help of BAM put onto it's present stand....) from Bruntingthorpe by Paul after VTTST decided to use a at '655 Wellesbourne for escape training etc, ... 563, I believe is now up in Yorkshire or somewhere like that... ooop north anyway!!!
the owner was at CWJ day last Sunday...

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Re: Vulcan Cockpit/Nose Section
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 06:25:09 PM »
Quote from: "Zero One"
incidentally the picture on the back of a white artic is not 537 but 563 sitting on Nev Martins pan when it arrived from Scotland
If you look closely, I did say it was 563 on the truck.  ;)

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... 537 was moved to Bournemouth (and with the help of BAM put onto it's present stand....) from Bruntingthorpe by Paul after VTTST decided to use a at '655 Wellesbourne for escape training etc
The Oracle has spoken. Enough said.    :D
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