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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2012, 07:20:05 AM »
Don't forget to knock about £25-£30k off the required total , ready for the obligatory "saved by a last minute mystery donation" payment !!  ;)  :lol:
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2012, 09:12:12 AM »
XH558 and the end of flight just got a significant mention on Chris Evans breakfast show!  Something along the lines of "lets see how we can save the Vulcan Bomber -  and the Muppets!"  :?
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2012, 09:29:05 AM »
Some chap on Facebook spent the weekend nagging him via Twitter.
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2012, 10:16:42 AM »
Quote from: "westy"
When they originally said of a projected 10-or-so year display life, was it assumed the wing mods could be done easily?

Although we would have liked to have seen her go on for at least ten years, I fully understand the reasons and I have been lucky enough to have seen her several times, so I am satisfied...but of course, it will always be very sad when she lands for good.  :cry:

And what of this forum...will it still be worth us being here? Hope so!

The ten year life span was based on an annual flight time of 40hrs per year which at that rate of use... the engines would have lasted the said 10yrs which would have reduced the FI usage which in turn would have negated the requirement for the wing leading edge modification...

XH558 has been a victim of her own popularity and has been flown far in excess of the proposed 40hrs per year...... ergo FI used up.... wing mod required... compounded by the criminal distruction of two irriplacable low houred engines..

result..... goodnight Vienna... :cry:  :cry:
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2012, 11:00:41 AM »
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2012, 11:05:38 AM »
Quote from: "Daily Mail"
The only action that XH558 saw was in the Falklands War in 1982 when it flew 8,000 miles to bomb the runway at Port Stanley and Argentinian planes on the ground.
So that's why we've run out of flying hours...
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2012, 11:45:35 AM »
Well spotted Mr Tim   :lol:

(Some nice comments at the end of this artical from the general public worth reading)
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2012, 11:56:36 AM »
Will the report on the engine damage be released into the public domain, or be kept private?
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2012, 12:12:03 PM »
Do we really need to know?  An error was made, and two engines were lost.  Maybe, and just maybe, it has helped contribute to 2013 being the last planned year.  but maybe not.  Either way, being able to read a report that says someone made a mistake while preparing the aircraft for flight is not going to magically fix the written off engines, and would only serve to fuel attempts by silly people to point a finger in some direction and blame them for everything, when whoever made the mistake was also one of the people who spent countless unsocial hours working very hard to make sure that for the last five years we've been able to enjoy watching 588 fly.  I'm very sad that it seems 2013 is destined to be the last time there will be daylight under her (unless she's on stands and the undercarriage is being worked on), but I'm not going to start moaning that if the engines were still available, we'd be looking to 2014.  It's not been said for certain that it's just engines that are the limiting factor if the wings were modded, so one has to assume that maybe other areas could potentially have issues.  Let's not dwell on the what ifs.  Let's remember all those howls and wingovers.  :-)
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2012, 12:54:18 PM »
:idea: Concord to the sky? Seems these haven't done many hours.
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 02:22:43 PM »
"Complex aircraft" category......no likelihood of OEM support.....reheat-equipped engines.....no likelihood of OEM support........
So in other words -- nope !!

Best option for a large British mil-jet would be a VC-10 ........but by the time Crab-Air have finished with them you'd be extremely lucky to find one that's not life-expired { same as the Victors were }

Otherwise......
Hunter / JP / Strikemaster ??  Already plenty of them about.
Jaguar ?? Again , reheat-equipped engines , Complex aircraft & little likelihood of OEM support.
Harrier ?? Complex , no OEM support.
Lightning ?? / Phantom ?? / Tonka ?? ........never happen !!

Oh , and I see that the majority of posters on other aviation fora who've express a preference regarding the final location for XH558 appear to be in favour of it returning to Bruntingthorpe.
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2012, 03:41:38 PM »
BBC South Today have provided the following article:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-so ... e-19926464
All good things must come to an end. But is was great when it happened.  :D  :D  :D
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2012, 05:14:50 PM »
Just recieved a letter pack (from VTTS) which includes info on the impending grounding. Anyone else got theirs?
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2012, 05:32:41 PM »
Quote from: "westy"
Just recieved a letter pack (from VTTS) which includes info on the impending grounding. Anyone else got theirs?

yes 2 ( been mentioned elsewhere as well)
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Re: 2013 - End of Flight
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2012, 05:38:25 PM »
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Do we really need to know?  An error was made, and two engines were lost. [snip] :-)

I'm not out to start a debate or set the whole thing off again but actually yes I do think it matters - honesty is always the best policy - I don't expect them to name names - it doesn't bother me who did what, as long they qualified to do the job they do it matters little, but I would like to know HOW it happened. These things rarely are caused by one instance it's normally a build up of associated events. Some one made a decision to place silica gel bags down the intakes, any one who has worked on a/c knows that a, You don't do it and b, if for some reason you need too there must be some form of accountability to ensure they get removed before flight, [Tho' I can't for life of me see what good they were doing].

In the past VTST  have always claimed to be so hot on paperwork and standards. I believe the supporters are entitled to know what procedures were put in place to prevent it happening again. Besides it would only be polite after all the support they got.
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