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Ejection Seat Charge Pins?
« on: December 12, 2013, 05:13:41 PM »
Ok, the ejector seats in XM569 won't have been checked since about 1983 (her last flight into Cardiff Rhoose) and there's little chance of them being live, although the pins are still in the top and bottom pull cords.
BUT, I've been told I need to get them checked out in case the charges are still live and that there should be pins in there to prevent the charges going off, or something like that.

Any pictures or diagrams of where these pins are, and should I get them professionally checked out (which would cost money I expect)?

Thanks again for any advice that can be given.

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Re: Ejection Seat Charge Pins?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 05:50:39 PM »
A a basic guide off the top of my head because all systems vary in detail [I never worked on Vulcans but the principle is the same] there should be pins in the Top Latch at the back of the seat, The face pan handle, guillotine seat/or handle, manual separation handle & seat pan and canopy jettison/jack [there could be others]

Sam will know the Safe for Maintenance positions.

If you look at the photos Rick posted in your other thread you can see 3 of them look for the red discs. They are named. There is one clearly visible in the guillotine on the 3rd photo centre of the picture. 1 in the 5th photo hiding partially behind the blue strap and the in the face pan handle in the last photo on the right hand side of the photo where the seat is in the horizontal position.

I doubt they are armed but if your not sure what you are doing it's not worth the risk. The fact the pins are present doesn't mean the seats are armed or unarmed.
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Re: Ejection Seat Charge Pins?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2013, 02:27:46 PM »
Thanks Pam,
I managed to get in touch with Gary Spoors, I think most people will know of him if not personally, as he owns XM569 F.F. section.

He told me that when it was flown into Rhoose airport in Cardiff the RAF spent a few days on it disarming such things as the ejector seats and other areas.
A certificate was issued to the Museum but there's not a hope in hell of that being found now.
However, we do have someone at the museum who deals in such things with ex-military equipment and he is willing to check it out and issue a certificate FOC so that's brilliant. At least we will be 'official' and comply with any H&S issues around the seats.

What Gary said was - "David the seats were de armed by the raf upon arrival.  I was part of the seeing in crew and no one was allowed on board for several days whilst it was done. There was a 'aircraft made safe' document at the time given to the museum , but I don't have a copy. The charges were all removed at the time and were re checked by us when she was scrapped.  Kind regards Gary"

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David
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Re: Ejection Seat Charge Pins?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 04:25:48 PM »
I couldn't imagine for a second that they weren't disarmed - but better safe than sorry. Is there no paper work at all with the cockpit? I would expect it to be tucked in amongst it somewhere if there is.

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Re: Ejection Seat Charge Pins?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 11:05:18 PM »
I informed the XM569 team about Gary Spoors' response and one of them popped up and said that he can carry out the check and issue a certificate. He deals with military vehicles of all sorts and is qualified to carry out such work.
He is also a qualified electrician and is PAT testing all of our kit.
A handy man to have around I think!
Thanks for the advice Pam.
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