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Offline stevieboy

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Bye bye Ark Royal
« on: October 19, 2010, 08:30:36 AM »
Time to say bye bye to the Ark and Harriers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 08:57:19 AM »
Excellent, so we will still get the two new carriers (cos it's cheaper to go ahead than to cancel them)

We will have no planes to fly off them for at least nine years (assuming the JSF goes ahead)

We could not afford the new ships when we ordered them and they are not the right ships for the wars we now find ourselves fighting.

No one has yet mentioned the support ships that will need to follow the carriers round the globe.

I predict that they will spend most of their lives tied up in Portsmouth, one will be sold off before it ever gets a UK jet on the deck (why only "redesign one?)

We are so S******* :evil:
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 09:18:01 AM »
Turn em' into cruise liners!

It so pi$$ed me off last week to see all the royal pomp and ceremony, and celebration of everything british, to name a ship made in ITALY!
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 09:25:11 AM »
Rule Britannia!
We used to rule the waves!
To the lowest of the bidders, we're now slaves!
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 10:33:54 AM »
DISGUSTING!!!!  :(
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 11:18:47 AM »
Bit pointless keeping the Ark Royal , seeing as the RAF have already said they're binning the Harriers !!
Typical , though ..... seems that each of the services are still playing politics & trying to screw each other over , rather than cooperate & provide a united front.
Do we really need so  many MBTs { even after the predicted cuts , we'll still have about 300 Challenger IIs in service } ??
We do , however , still need carriers.....after all , the RAF can't operate overseas { in the event of another Iraq / Afghanistan -type conflict } without local airbases and / or overflight authorisation from neighbouring countries.

Suprised they don't use the Ark as an LPH , though , as it operated in that role when Ocean was being refitted.
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 AM »
And on a slightly off-topic note.......
MOD has just announced it is effectively binning the planned all-services training college at St Athan.
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 12:14:06 PM »
This means there will be 4 Olympus engines up for grabs :)  :cry:  ;)
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 12:32:33 PM »
Probably many more than 4 , once they make the expected announcement that they're binning some /all { ? } of the Type-22 Frigates & Type-42 Destroyers !
{ As an aside , how will these cuts affect Rolls-Royce' support for the Olympus engine ? }
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 12:49:11 PM »
Nice to see lots of extremely disgruntled forces bods attending Cameron's visit to Northolt this morning.
Have to say they looked & sounded totally unimpressed.
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 06:07:39 PM »
The Ark was only re commissioned last year after a extensive re-fit

That is what you call forward planning by some people in higher places, how sad is our "Armed Forces" now!!!!

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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 06:08:23 PM »
I remmember a minister in the early 80s cutting 50 foot off the overall length of Frigates at a spending revue..his name was Nott....then we had the Falklands and   the Sheffield was sunk because it did not have the air attack defence capability anymore ..tell that to the 19 crew that losted there lives because of so called ministers making predictions about possable threats......i see history repeating itself i do not know how these people sleep at night....
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 06:20:51 PM »
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Probably many more than 4 , once they make the expected announcement that they're binning some /all { ? } of the Type-22 Frigates & Type-42 Destroyers !
{ As an aside , how will these cuts affect Rolls-Royce' support for the Olympus engine ? }

Support for the marine Olympus comes from a company based in Scotland, totally separate from RR.
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 08:59:30 PM »
If you remeber 1982 Invincible was up for sale and very close to being sold to the Aussie, Endeavour was deemed surplus and the RAF had no long distance capabilities. Then along came the Argies and they rub our noses in it with the naval party. It all changed we kept Invincible and the trusty Hermes and a Delta winged bomber that was on the verge of of being scrapped. The rest as the saying goes is history. After the conflict we rushed Illustrious through her sea trials so that Hermes could be sold to the Indian Navy and Invincible be overhauled. At the review after the Falkland debacle the Navy stated that they needed three carriers so along came Ark Royal.  So all is not lost yet with the new carriers however it was always planned that during the hull life the deck would be reconfigured from ski jump to catobar for conventional carrier type aircraft to be used. This should have been done at the outset.  
This is one reason why the MOD is so far over budget also unless they are transfering a base from one service to another the disposal should be at the correct market value not at the derisory £1.00. as has happen with numerous bases through out the land and will continue to happen. MOD Macrihanish is available to purchase for the community at the princely sum of £1.00 and still not sold due to political goings on in Edinburgh.
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Re: Bye bye Ark Royal
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 06:45:00 PM »
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If you remeber 1982 Invincible was up for sale and very close to being sold to the Aussie, Endeavour was deemed surplus and the RAF had no long distance capabilities. Then along came the Argies and they rub our noses in it with the naval party. It all changed we kept Invincible and the trusty Hermes and a Delta winged bomber that was on the verge of of being scrapped. The rest as the saying goes is history.  

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   The trouble with goverments who make these decisions they do not seem to comprehend once you scrap a bit of kit it takes along time   to replace it, if  you have a unforseen situation.....i still think the politicians that make these decisions should be put in uniform if a problem with a foreign power happens,  and made to fight with the kit they left the armed forces with ,after there cost cutting....that would focus there minds... :)  :)   Mike
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