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Offline steve w

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #165 on: September 05, 2017, 02:46:55 PM »
Welcome Steve!

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #166 on: September 05, 2017, 03:01:21 PM »
Greetings....guess I'll have to retract my comment about there being 'nobody from the Trust/Trustees posting on here' now !!  :D
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #167 on: September 05, 2017, 07:59:04 PM »
I was going to quote you, but I couldn't find it...

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #168 on: September 05, 2017, 09:21:48 PM »
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2017, 12:56:50 AM »
Welcome Steve,

A couple of thoughts....

Looking at the latest pictures posted by Michelle Middelton (I guess the trust won't want anything more from her now for the next calendar...)  The ground equipment is stored under the wings.  Now Vulcans make great umbrellas but... 558 is now so light that the jacks fit quite comfortably under the wings - a couple of things when the bags are empty the rubber drys out shrinks (it also tends to crack) so if they ever try and refill the tanks there is going to be a few leaks.  From the nose down attitude it looks like what little fuel remains has been put in number one and two tanks.  When it snows (she is parked out side in Doncaster) which of Taffs team of volunteers is going to go up to the airfield and sweep the snow off the wings?  The weight of the snow behind the centre of gravity will very quickly exceed the weight of the fuel in the forward tanks.  There will be four very expensive skin repairs to do when 558 sits on her arse!  Maybe they have used the tie down point on the nose leg???

On the subject of the "Fire sale" in the web store.  Selling stock reduced by 90% is extracting the michael! The stuff was obviously extremely overpriced when we were buying it before - ok it supposedly kept 558 in the air and then under cover.  Selling it off now is just wiping out the profits made in the past (and undermining the efforts of the volunteers who put in hours of work at shows up and down the country)  This looks to me as if the trust know they will be gone soon and are just trying to shift as much stock as they can before the administrators move in (probably why Bob has been in such a rush to sell all the spares from Stratford as well)

The idea of the stickers has really not been thought through.  The polythene will not breath like the paint does.  Any corrosion that is under the paint now will just explode and with a few years there will be a whole new load of work to do to get 558 looking anything like as good as she did when we left.  Now she is outside all of the cavities will be filling with condensation which now she never moves will never dry out again (the condensation will pool on the bottom of the cavities - when it warms up it will evaporate and form droplets on the top surface - then it cools down and condenses, drawing in more moisture) moisture and aluminium alloy are not good bed fellows.

Really sad about how this has ended up.  We had something great which I really believed in and now it is being dismantled quicker than the Berlin wall (probably be tiny blocks of 558 for sale on e-bay soon.)  The trust are behaving as if they can't wait for the whole thing to go away.  If they wanted to drive us out they could not have done a better job if they had hired a fleet of busses.
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2017, 08:42:36 AM »
Haven't seen those, but did find these.  Source https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexcarnes/



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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #171 on: September 06, 2017, 08:49:30 AM »
Well said Sam

Reading about the condensation is worrying though............ :'(

And thanks for the photos methley, she looks so, so sad...................

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #172 on: September 06, 2017, 10:39:19 AM »
Noticed that the Trust have just upped the amount of 'names under the wing' AGAIN!!!
They've made another 300 available, must be selling well to keep them all in a job...................... >:(

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #173 on: September 06, 2017, 11:14:13 AM »
The trust as a whole should hang their heads in Shame!!!! :'(
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #174 on: September 06, 2017, 11:51:05 AM »
Is it just me that doesn't like the thought of plastering 558 with names on the outside?

The bomb bay was fair enough, out of sight most of the time but available when visited. Under the wings? whilst she will no longer flying it just appears to be exploitation to me.

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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2017, 02:22:35 PM »
Money money money!!! Thats all shes being used for now!! >:D >:D >:D
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #176 on: September 06, 2017, 05:49:01 PM »
Revolting peasants !!


Err.....I mean....the peasants are still revolting, I see.....  ;) :))

Maybe the Trust's latest cunning plan is to cover the whole of XH558 in stickers, effectively turning it into a 'vinyl wrap' ( like they do on cars ) thereby saving them having to do any repainting or indeed any other preventative maintenance  >:D
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #177 on: September 06, 2017, 06:39:16 PM »
Can't see too many people paying £30 to have their name put in a place they will hardly ever get to see. It's a bit like paying to have your name put on a park bench in the middle of Sherwood Forest IMO.

Like everyone else here I am more than disgusted at the way things have turned out. The old girl never deserved this  >:D

I am sure Mags Doig would have a field day doing a cartoon if she is still about.
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #178 on: September 07, 2017, 09:12:40 AM »
If anyone's interested, the most recent set of accounts have been posted on the Charity Commission website : apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends48/0001101948_AC_20161031_E_C.pdf

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From the accounts :
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The Vulcan Operating Company Limited
The Vulcan Operating Company Limited is the subsidiary of the Trust responsible for engineering activities on the Trust's aircraft, and has employed the Trust's aircraft trade technicians, fitters and quality specialists.
It holds CAA approvals for maintenance and continuing airworthiness management, and has the potential for offering aircraft maintenance services to 3rd parties.

Given the redundancies, is this still correct ?

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There is a charge over the aircraft in favour of the National Heritage Memorial Fund in the amount of £427,000 reducing on a straight line basis until 2085.

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Vulcan to the Sky Enterprises Ltd (“VTSE”) is the wholly-owned retail trading subsidiary of VTST, and is managed by Andrew Edmondson as its lead Director. VTSE covenants its taxable profits to VTST under the Gift Aid scheme
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The Vulcan Property Management Company Ltd (“VPMC”) was incorporated on 21 December 2015, and was set up to manage the tenant-occupied hangar space, offices and conference rooms available as the result of the Trust taking over the lease of Hangar 3 at DSA at the beginning of January 2016 from Directions Finningley CIC.
The Trust held the head lease for the 2016 calendar year, and sublet the space not required by the Trust to VPMC, which then licences space to a number of tenants.
Andrew Edmondson is the lead Director for VPMC.
VPMC now provides services to the current Lessee of Hangar 3.
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The Vulcan Operating Company Ltd (“VOC”) has been in existence as a dormant company since 1999, but was changed to an active company in first quarter of 2016.
The VOC is the engineering arm of the Trust, and holds the approvals from the Civil Aviation Authority for servicing and airworthiness management for non-EASA aircraft.
Its goal is to generate profits from the sale of its services to other organisations in the business of restoring, conserving or operating heritage aircraft.
Its lead Director is Andrew Edmondson
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The charity’s deficit for the year was £214,510 (2015: surplus £121,193).
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Wages and salaries : £772,282
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( under 'Purchases' ) Canberra : £51,826
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Purchase invoices for business services have been received from Greenways Business Services amounting to £36,774 (2015: £17,402).
This is a partnership where Michael Trotter, director of Vulcan to the Sky Enterprises Limited, is a partner
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Re: So that's it then?
« Reply #179 on: September 07, 2017, 12:31:50 PM »
Thanks for this Clive, Makes you wonder eh!!? I really dont know how they get away with it!!!
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